Open Carry Incident - Vincennes

[Dirtebiker]

The thing that amazes me is guys thinking it is perfectly normal to walk into a public restaurant with a long gun. How in the heck do you talk to someone like that? In reality a guy could probably walk into a public place wearing a pink thong and be legal but you won't ever catch me doing so...same with going out to eat at a restaurant with a rifle. But whatever floats ones boat I guess

No one said it was "perfectly normal"!
The problem people have with the situation, is the WAY it was (allegedly) handled.

 

[Dirtebiker]

For some reason folks feel the need or whatever to push themselves on others. In this case many people were made to feel very uncomfortable but that was of no concern to the OP and his "Crew"
In these troubled times we as gun owners have to use our heads for more than a door stop. Think about what you do in this concern. If I am in a burger joint and someone is making me un-easy I will either leave/confront or deal with it in whatever manner fits the situation. Just because you can do something is it always the right thing to do.

Now before the flame throwers come out I am in on the 2A side of this. I just feel that there is a time and a place for every thing and an AR in the McD's is not either. That is my personal opinion and not a statement against this young fools right to do what he did. It disrupted all the people around him and they had to endure a LEO visit with guns drawn. How else did they think this was going to end....Right or wrong they infringed on others....Period.

No one was educated or softened towards seeing a gun.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a great idea to carry a rifle into a restaurant.
But, I don't think the op and friends " pushed themselves on others".
I normally o.c. my handgun. Should I worry about making people "feel very uncomfortable"?
The o.c.ers did not "infringe" on anyone.
You are correct, no one was educated, but they COULD have been, IF the Leo's would have handled the situation with some restraint.

 

[Dirtebiker]

So if it is OK to point a gun at people and laugh, I would think it was OK for LEO to point a gun at a AR carrier at McD's.

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REALLY?

 

[SteveM4A1]

Since this is now headed for the basement.........

SteveM4A1, is this yours? File:M4A1 on Panzermuseum Munster.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Duh its mine. These lame OCers aint got nothin on me! I actually drive it to McDonalds and the cops have never been called, but they always stick their hands up and give me free food?

 

[Old_grunt]

Duh its mine. These lame OCers aint got nothin on me! I actually drive it to McDonalds and the cops have never been called, but they always stick their hands up and give me free food?

http://www.indymilitary.com/

M4A1E8 pictured is drivable and was used in The Blues Brothers. I had a lot to do with freeing controls & hatches for the turret and main gun. Hydraulics are out and it's a severe pain to hand crank it. If you guys are or aren't vets, and haven't been there, since we got it moved, drop in.

 

[stephen87]

I'll lend you one of mine, and I'll video the encounter that will most assuredly happen, as long as I get half of the payout if you get the chance to sue.

Deal. Now, I will preface this by saying the resulting thread/video will NOT be focused on rifle carry, but instead how society (LEO and non-LEO alike) reacts. If something goes down, it is not intentional. My intentions are to show support for the others who have done so...

 

[OWGEM]

Yet another high profile mass shooting involving an AR, this time at an airport. And you are going to video someone OC'ing an AR to record the public's reaction? I think that reaction is a given dude. You are dreaming if you expect to condition the public to not respond negatively to OC'ing a long gun. Be prepared to be confronted by LEO who are rightly concerned about yet another mass shooting. And don't be surprised if they are adrenalin pumped.


Deadly LAX shooting: Why did he do it? - CNN.com

 

[KW730]

And you are going to video someone OC'ing an AR to record the public's reaction?

When did that happen?

 

[actaeon277]

Yet another high profile mass shooting involving an AR, this time at an airport. And you are going to video someone OC'ing an AR to record the public's reaction? I think that reaction is a given dude. You are dreaming if you expect to condition the public to not respond negatively to OC'ing a long gun. Be prepared to be confronted by LEO who are rightly concerned about yet another mass shooting. And don't be surprised if they are adrenalin pumped.


Deadly LAX shooting: Why did he do it? - CNN.com

So if he had used a pistol, then you'd be willing to give up carrying yours?

 

[Dirtebiker]

Deal. Now, I will preface this by saying the resulting thread/video will NOT be focused on rifle carry, but instead how society (LEO and non-LEO alike) reacts. If something goes down, it is not intentional. My intentions are to show support for the others who have done so...

Anytime you're ready! But you must keep the rifle slung.
And maybe I'll wear my tool belt with my Estwing hanging off it. We can see reactions to both?

 

[OWGEM]

When did that happen?

Yesterday.

 

[OWGEM]

So if he had used a pistol, then you'd be willing to give up carrying yours?

When I carry no one knows so it is not an issue.

 

[Destro]

If they are just standing there like that I have no problem, but what they were doing was a lot more than just standing there looking intimidating now wasn't it?

looks like they are just standing?

 

[KW730]

And you are going to video someone OC'ing an AR to record the public's reaction?

When did that happen?

Yesterday.

No. I don't think that ever happened. And definitely not yesterday.

 

[Old_grunt]

No. I don't think that ever happened. And definitely not yesterday.

LAX shooting kills TSA officer, wounds others - CBS News

TSA employee dead, at least 6 injured in LAX shooting; gunman wounded and in custody, officials say | Fox News

LAX shooting pictures

LAX Shooting: Photos Capture Chaotic Scene At Airport

Would you care to rethink your statements?

 

[OWGEM]

No. I don't think that ever happened. And definitely not yesterday.

Take your head out of the sand dude.

 

[ChalupaCabras]

Perhaps some of you would have better interactions with the police if you took 30 seconds to put yourselves in their shoes. That is just common courtesy. The golden rule.

If you are out on the town looking to prove a point to the powers that be, you have no excuse to $&%^* when the police come prove a counter point to you.

 

[KG1]

LAX shooting kills TSA officer, wounds others - CBS News

TSA employee dead, at least 6 injured in LAX shooting; gunman wounded and in custody, officials say | Fox News

LAX shooting pictures

LAX Shooting: Photos Capture Chaotic Scene At Airport

Would you care to rethink your statements?

Take your head out of the sand dude.

Seems to me that you guys need to comprehend what he is talking about. I believe he was referring to the incident in the OP and claims that it was'nt video taped to record any reaction to someone carrying a rifle.

 

[KG1]

looks like they are just standing?

I believe there is more to the story than just a picture of them standing there. According to accounts they were'nt just standing there quietly. There were also verbal confrontations conducted to try and intimidate.

Now on the other hand according to the incident in the OP the person with a rifle slung over his back was doing nothing more than legally carrying a rifle and sitting with friends eating fast food. No attempt at intimidation was purposely intended. (Except maybe on the part of the responding LEOs)

 

[Destro]

I believe there is more to the story than just a picture of them standing there. According to accounts they were'nt just standing there quietly. There were also verbal confrontations conducted to try and intimidate.

Now on the other hand according to the incident in the OP the person with a rifle slung over his back was doing nothing more than legally carrying a rifle and sitting with friends eating fast food. No attempt at intimidation was purposely intended. (Except maybe on the part of the responding LEOs)

Case #1 we have emperical evidence the two men are doing nothing but standing when the picture is taken.
Case #2 is some some crazy story based completely on hearsay

We've wasted 90 pages discussing something that might not have even happend, yet we know the 2 men in the picture are simply standing there