Arizona's Clown High Sheriff Gets The Taxpayers Another Multi-Million $ Bill

[Rhoadmar]

What kind of fools allow themselves to be distracted by something like this, when so many things are happening that actually affect us (ACA, deficit, NDAA, dronings, etc). You guys are babbling about some county sheriff on the other side of the country.

I see what you did there. Well salted sir.

 

[jbombelli]

I haven't been paying much attention to what some d-bag county sheriff in Arizona is costing his county. I've been distracted by things that actually affect ME here in Indiana.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Because you and Mr. Jarrell and the rest of the cabal says so? Mmmkay.

Huh?

 

[Leo]

I have seen the damage and destruction of illegals and dope smugglers. Maybe the people of that area feels that benefit of having the criminals dealt with (instead of pampering and allowing their activities) is well worth $17 mill.

 

[mrjarrell]

I have seen the damage and destruction of illegals and dope smugglers. Maybe the people of that area feels that benefit of having the criminals dealt with (instead of pampering and allowing their activities) is well worth $17 mill.

So, falsely arresting people is OK in your book, as is institutional corruption that is routinely found in the Maricopa County Sheriffs department? Dirty cops are a bane on society.

 

[Twangbanger]

When "clean cops," at whatever level, are seen as not doing their job - you open the door to the dirty ones who are seen as "effective." There's a real easy way to get rid of this guy...do your job, crack down on illegals, and eliminate the issue he draws his fame from. When the voters feel the government is providing the services they're paying for, and the grifter is seen as adding no value, they'll vote him out.


...interesting to see you're not above the occasional bush-league hillbilly distraction yourself, though.

 

[jbombelli]

So, falsely arresting people is OK in your book, as is institutional corruption that is routinely found in the Maricopa County Sheriffs department? Dirty cops are a bane on society.

How much have you donated to the efforts to remove him from office?

 

[Fargo]

What kind of fools allow themselves to be distracted by something like this, when so many things are happening that actually affect us (ACA, deficit, NDAA, dronings, etc). You guys are babbling about some county sheriff on the other side of the country.

I personally care because he is a bit of a bell weather as to how far blatant corruption and conflict of interest will be tolerated within local law enforcement in this country....

 

[jamil]

How much have you donated to the efforts to remove him from office?

He *****es about it a lot. Does that count?

 

[Fargo]

I have seen the damage and destruction of illegals and dope smugglers. Maybe the people of that area feels that benefit of having the criminals dealt with (instead of pampering and allowing their activities) is well worth $17 mill.

is it worth being falsely arrested for exercising your constitutional rights? Honest question.

joe

 

[Leo]

is it worth being falsely arrested for exercising your constitutional rights? Honest question.

joe

Fair enough, I am not a citizen of that State, City, or County. I also believe that if you are doing something right, there will be a whole line of people attacking you. I am not going to second guess the local people on what needs to be done. For example: The vigilanties that are protecting family ranches down by Brownsville may not be something we would ideally like. If your wife was raped to death and your sons were killed and your barns burned down by the illegals, and the "law" does not work for you, you may have a different view of what is needed. If you are living with the choice of two evils, you will pick the one that destroys you less.

If the guy does something wrong, the truth and justice will bring him down. There are places in the south west where illegal drug lords have taken over entire towns, and unseating the mayor, police chief even taken over the Post office, which now flies a mexican flag. Due process that we apply to our more civilized population, is virtually impotent in such a war zone.

I chose to let the productive, law abiding citizens decide what they want for their communities. After the streets are made safe for those citizens, by doing what has to be done, I'll worry about resuming "what should be done". None of this discussion would be taking place if those in power would have been doing their jobs for the last 30 or so years.

 

[jbombelli]

Fair enough, I am not a citizen of that State, City, or County. I also believe that if you are doing something right, there will be a whole line of people attacking you. I am not going to second guess the local people on what needs to be done. For example: The vigilanties that are protecting family ranches down by Brownsville may not be something we would ideally like. If your wife was raped to death and your sons were killed and your barns burned down by the illegals, and the "law" does not work for you, you may have a different view of what is needed. If you are living with the choice of two evils, you will pick the one that destroys you less.

If the guy does something wrong, the truth and justice will bring him down. There are places in the south west where illegal drug lords have taken over entire towns, and unseating the mayor, police chief even taken over the Post office, which now flies a mexican flag. Due process that we apply to our more civilized population, is virtually impotent in such a war zone.

I chose to let the productive, law abiding citizens decide what they want for their communities. After the streets are made safe for those citizens, by doing what has to be done, I'll worry about resuming "what should be done". None of this discussion would be taking place if those in power would have been doing their jobs for the last 30 or so years.

So if the good citizens are in favor of trampling all over the Constitution and Bill of Rights that's okay by you?

Let us know how that goes if it ever comes to pass that YOU become their target.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

Its all about image

Seriously? WHAT deal am I missing in the classifieds?!
Twenty-four one-liners in an HOUR?! Good grief.

 

[poptab]

Considering I own all four volumes of Human Action in hardback - as well as most of von Mises' collected works, also all in well-read hardback - you're preaching to the choir in quoting von Mises to me.

Appealing to a higher authority - even someone who is so deeply respected a thinker as von Mises - neither supports nor detracts from one's argument. Indeed, if I ever were to find flaw with the man's epistemology, it would be on the public's subsequent conflation of a free market with a global market. To assume, a priori, that a free, cross-border market REQUIRES a lack of national borders is fallacy. If sufficient means of production exist within nation-states, there is no barrier to the free flow of goods between nation-states with borders, but only upon services. The fact that America has well-defined borders does not inhibit my ability whatsoever - in itself - to order widgets from Taiwan. Or Israel. Or Germany. And of those services, those non-"open" borders might make it difficult for me to hire German individuals for my engineering firm (for example) were it not for the fact that structured immigration does exist and permits said individuals to work here, with ease.

Upon meeting albeit arbitrary requirements for immigrants, work visas are issued and said personnel may reside and work here, and there is still no tangible burden on the flow of trans-national services between nation-states, either. So, goods can flow, and through structured immigration/emigration, even services can flow trans-nationally. Since you seem to be a proponent of a borderless/"open borders" world, how do you propose to construct/de-struct such a system? How would such a world function? Please, do enlighten me on the normative and empirical aspects of a borderless/"open borders" world that these 'libertarians' are championing. While you're at it, you could perhaps make the distinction between libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism, since you're flying the anarcho-capitalist flag. You're as much of an anarchist as a libertarian, if you truly are a non-Statist. If so, then of course one would be "open borders," as borders are of themselves the hallmark of a state.

Open borders are not derived from economics, but sociology, and normative sociology at that. Conflation. A free market may be global, but it is not necessarily global, and to the extent that said market is global/trans-national, it is precisely the fact that structured immigration/emigration exists within all nation-states that provides for unimpeded flow and exchange of goods and services. A nation-state may adopt public policies that defy unimpeded flow of goods or services, but having structured immigration/emigration is not of itself an impetus to a free, trans-national market. Conflation.

And for your own edification, the man himself, as per Human Action: "The democracy of the market consists in the fact that people themselves make their choices and that no dictator has the power to force them to submit to his value judgments." - Ludwig von Mises

The link was to an article by Walter block...
The answers to the questions you pose are addressed. I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. I was merely trying to help you understand the confusion other people were having regarding libertarians.

 

[Leo]

If I am not willing to invest myself in fixing the real problem in AZ, I am not going to condem the people of that state for their solutions to the problem that wholy affects them in a real way on a daily basis. If we really cared, we would be on every congressmans phone demanding they secure our borders and protect the citizens. If those lawmakers were unable to produce a solution on a timely basis, they would be on the unemloyment line. So far, we have not even produced a president that pretends the Constitution means anything to him.

 

[CarmelHP]

There isn't any conflating happening. Open borders are derived from free market economics.
The confusion is over what exactly is a libertarian. Historically, libertarians have been opposed to borders.
Today, many who are embarrassed to describe themselves as republican or democrat default to describing themselves as libertarian even though their political beliefs are not historically in alignment with libertarianism.

http://mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_4.pdf

You guys love your purity tests.

 

[CarmelHP]

You got a point, many of the people in Reich Germany thought it was completely rationaly to support that Austrian guy.

How did we get to Godwin so early in the thread?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

You guys love your purity tests.

I love purity tests more than you do!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

His latest escapade has garnered a $3.75 million dollar bill that the taxpayers of Maricopa County will have to pick up.

The only way to make this crap stop is to take it from the police pensions. Here it should come right from Sheriff Joe.

If the police knew that they are personally responsible for this stupidity, they would refuse to climb on board the tanks and send a guy with a clipboard to handle the stupid animal complaint and lead the revolt to rid Arizona of Sheriff Joes.

A solution: http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...cop-ordered-pay-250000-pocket-suspect-abused/

 

[Kutnupe14]

If I am not willing to invest myself in fixing the real problem in AZ, I am not going to condem the people of that state for their solutions to the problem that wholy affects them in a real way on a daily basis. If we really cared, we would be on every congressmans phone demanding they secure our borders and protect the citizens. If those lawmakers were unable to produce a solution on a timely basis, they would be on the unemloyment line. So far, we have not even produced a president that pretends the Constitution means anything to him.

Those "solutions" aren't working though.