13 year old boy gunned down by deputies...

[Hop]

I see where some of the comments from Thor and Sopwith are coming from. Drawn in low ready is one thing but drawn with sights on target is a whole 'nother level.

We've all seen plenty of pictures where LEO were mishandling a firearm: the CO bank robber intersection incident, the Boston marathon LEO pictures showing snipers on barn roofs aiming into houses, the LEO that pulled over a kid not long ago pointing his weapon at her asking how she felt, etc, etc... It's those images + events like the old man getting shot in his own garage during a wrong house LEO invasion that make law abiding citizens fear for the safety of themselves and family when LEO are on scene with weapons not just drawn but drawn with sights on target.

This is totally un ****ing acceptable:

 

[Kirk Freeman]

This is totally un ****ing acceptable:

That's an arrest. If no probable cause, grounds to sue.

 

[Denny347]

I see where some of the comments from Thor and Sopwith are coming from. Drawn in low ready is one thing but drawn with sights on target is a whole 'nother level.

We've all seen plenty of pictures where LEO were mishandling a firearm: the CO bank robber intersection incident, the Boston marathon LEO pictures showing snipers on barn roofs aiming into houses, the LEO that pulled over a kid not long ago pointing his weapon at her asking how she felt, etc, etc... It's those images + events like the old man getting shot in his own garage during a wrong house LEO invasion that make law abiding citizens fear for the safety of themselves and family when LEO are on scene with weapons not just drawn but drawn with sights on target.

This is totally un ****ing acceptable:

Now you realize that there are MILLIONS of police interactions every year and hundreds of thousands of incidents with officers pointing their weapons at people. Of those, we have a handful of negative incidents. Now they are likely not the only ones however, there is NO evidence that the actual numbers is much higher, just assumptions. We are debating a possible incident that has a infinitesimal possibility of ever occurring to you.

 

[Thor]

Pictures like this may become all too common with MS-13 youts coming in through the southern border. We must take them into our communities because they are 'children'. Just like those darlings in the al-aqsa martyrs brigade.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Removal of orange tip is a federal offense, is it not? Or is it just an administrative rule with no teeth?

 

[sopwith21]

If I'm pointing my handgun at you then I have a VERY good reason and it will likely end poorly...for you.

Nice of you to threaten me with a deadly weapon. You don't work in PR, do you?

 

[sopwith21]

Don't be mad but NO. Unless the officers are 100% illegal, no. I can arrest you, you cannot arrest me. I can detain you, you cannot detain me. I can point a gun at you, you cannot (with exception to a very narrow window allowed by law) point one back.

If I can't do it, you can't do it. If the law protects you from having my gun pointed at you, then the law protects me from your gun pointed at me. A badge and a costume do not give you special rights to violate federal law. If you're only going to enforce the laws you like, you need a new gig.

...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[sopwith21]

Given these comments, I would have to say your totally against any sort of 'rule of law' and side with the 'there should be no laws' anarchist line of thinking? If you believe there should be at least some laws enforcement by government, then shouldn't the state agents who enforce the more dangerous of those laws be able to put a dangerous person at gunpoint for their safety, or do you feel all police should be disarmed?

I believe that police should be disarmed at the least, and preferably disbanded. They are now a greater danger to public liberty than private sector criminals. By the Bureau of Statistics own numbers, as a law abiding citizen, you are 26% more likely to be shot by a police officer than a private sector criminal, and the likelihood of them ever facing justice is zero. In NJ alone, more than 99% of all police misconduct "investigations" exonerate the officer entirely. The public has no meaningful recourse and cannot penetrate the thin blue line of lies and tail-covering that whitewashes any and all police crimes.

Police have no fear whatsoever of reprisal for their crimes, and so long as that continues, their actions will remain unchanged.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Sopwith, are you for anarchy or do you have a replacement system in mind for when you disband the police force? You seem to have a problem with people serving as officers. Will you sell the city your own robocops? Is this all some secret profit-driven agenda of yours?

 

[1911ly]

Sopwith, are you for anarchy or do you have a replacement system in mind for when you disband the police force? You seem to have a problem with people serving as officers. Will you sell the city your own robocops? Is this all some secret profit-driven agenda of yours?

Doc, I don't usually respond to idiotic comments like his but I can't help to. What a moronic point of view he has. I'll give to the fact that there a few (dam few) bad cops. There are more justices then in-just. Just what we need. A lawless society with anarchist rule.

Mr Sop has a post count of 20. He's just a boat rocker stirring crap pile with a stick. Waiting for a ban hammer lol.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

If I can't do it, you can't do it. If the law protects you from having my gun pointed at you, then the law protects me from your gun pointed at me. A badge and a costume do not give you special rights to violate federal law. If you're only going to enforce the laws you like, you need a new gig.

...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I believe that police should be disarmed at the least, and preferably disbanded. They are now a greater danger to public liberty than private sector criminals. By the Bureau of Statistics own numbers, as a law abiding citizen, you are 26% more likely to be shot by a police officer than a private sector criminal, and the likelihood of them ever facing justice is zero. In NJ alone, more than 99% of all police misconduct "investigations" exonerate the officer entirely. The public has no meaningful recourse and cannot penetrate the thin blue line of lies and tail-covering that whitewashes any and all police crimes.

Police have no fear whatsoever of reprisal for their crimes, and so long as that continues, their actions will remain unchanged.

That didn't take long.

 

[vitamink]

Wow, word for word from the cop block website. Is this cop block tranny?

 

[vitamink]

The best part about your statistics is that they are bastardizations of fact to fit your bs agenda. The real fact is you are 8 times more likely to be killed by the police than by a terrorist. Not many people are killed by terrorists, however people enter into shoot outs with the police daily which is where the statistic comes from. In fact, the study that was done has "shot by police" as the second to last thing more likely than a terrorist attack. Your almost twice as likely to die from a railway accident than to be shot by the police. You're 11,000x more likely to die in an airplane accident.



If you're not a criminal you have nothing to worry about.

 

[1911ly]

The best part about your statistics is that they are bastardizations of fact to fit your bs agenda. The real fact is you are 8 times more likely to be killed by the police than by a terrorist. Not many people are killed by terrorists, however people enter into shoot outs with the police daily which is where the statistic comes from. In fact, the study that was done has "shot by police" as the second to last thing more likely than a terrorist attack. Your almost twice as likely to die from a railway accident than to be shot by the police. You're 11,000x more likely to die in an airplane accident.



If you're not a criminal you have nothing to worry about.

Yep!!

 

[sopwith21]

The best part about your statistics is that they are bastardizations of fact to fit your bs agenda. The real fact is you are 8 times more likely to be killed by the police than by a terrorist. Not many people are killed by terrorists, however people enter into shoot outs with the police daily which is where the statistic comes from. In fact, the study that was done has "shot by police" as the second to last thing more likely than a terrorist attack. Your almost twice as likely to die from a railway accident than to be shot by the police. You're 11,000x more likely to die in an airplane accident.

Take your argument up with the Dept of Justice's Bureau of Statistics.

If you're not a criminal you have nothing to worry about.

Tell that to 500 innocent people per year who die at the hands of police.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Pictures like this may become all too common with MS-13 youts coming in through the southern border. We must take them into our communities because they are 'children'. Just like those darlings in the al-aqsa martyrs brigade.

So, ms-13 members will get jobs as police officers?

 

[vitamink]

Please link those statistics.


Mine are from the national safety council and were blogged about by the CATO institute. You should be familiar with them, their whole purpose is manipulating statistics for an anti cop agenda. They only mention the cop part of the study, but if you look at the entire original article they quote it's pretty damn funny and makes them looked like the collection of morons that they are. According to their statistics, you are 2x more likely to be attacked by a train than shot and killed by police (as a criminal, accidental, or whatever). You're 11000 times more likely to die in a plane crash. If you're still scared of the police, you may want to get a helmet as the world is a scary place. While you're at it, buy a chain mail suit and a body condom for insulation as you're more likely to die from electrocution or attacked by a shark too.

 

[sopwith21]

You ask for statistics then go on a rant about how worthless they are. You won't believe anything that doesn't fit your agenda so do your own homework.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

You won't believe anything that doesn't fit your agenda.

 

[1911ly]

You ask for statistics then go on a rant L

Please post your sources. I can't find them.

So you would rather live in a lawless society? Lucky this is a democratic society and you're over ruled.