A Refugee Crisis, Not an Immigration Crisis

[Justus]

I, like the author of the original article I posted, see that they treat them differently because Mexico is not, a totally failed state. The others have basically been taken over by the gangs and turned into hellholes from which escape is the only seemingly sane answer. The law is reasonably clear though. Even the Mexican minors should be treated as refugees till it can be adjudicated by the proper authorities. Then they can be granted refugee status, if they truly are or sent back home if they aren't. We do have a system in place for this.

That's not why the BP turns Mexicans back....

The law applies to countries that the US does not share a border with.
Mexico shares our border so aliens can be immediately returned without going into the system.

Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvadore do not share our border.
The Central Americans are using this loophole to stay here.

So if Mexico isn't a failed state than why aren't the refugees settling there?

Gautemala is apparently not a failed state either:
http://news.yahoo.com/unaccompanied...violence-says-guatemalas-first-215017680.html

 

[mrjarrell]

That's not why the BP turns Mexicans back....

The law applies to countries that the US does not share a border with.
Mexico shares our border so aliens can be immediately returned without going into the system.

Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvadore do not share our border.
The Central Americans are using this loophole to stay here.

So if Mexico isn't a failed state than why aren't the refugees settling there?

Because the Mexican authorities, unlike the US, beat them and imprison them. We tend to treat people like human beings. And, while Mexico isn't a totally failed state, yet, they do not offer the opportunities that the US does. It's really pretty simple. If people are so worried about these refugees being put on the dole, then end the dole. Get rid of the system they are supposedly taking advantage of then there will be no freebies to attract leeches. Then anyone who shows up as a real refugee can be dealt with accordingly.

 

[ModernGunner]

No, they ARE coming across the border as illegal aliens. And should be booted from the country, along with every other illegal alien that chose to 'sneak in through the basement window' rather than come in illegally. They're criminals, period.

They're only claiming 'refugee' status once here because Scumbag-In-Chief and his anti-American toadies 'advertised' the illegal aliens should do that so they can stay, get aid, free insurance, housing, food stamps, and on and on.

Seal the border, making sneaking into the U.S. a serious felony, with serious jail time, capture and deport illegal aliens immediately.

For those fraudulently on the 'dole', also serious jail time. They are robbing those legitimately in need.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

This lady makes a rather good point.

She doesn't make a good point , what she makes is a typical , left leaning libtard , straw man deflection designed to tug on the heart strings of the weak minded .

Refugees find the nearest embassy and apply for asylum , these bastards aren't doing that because they know they won't have to .

 

[mrjarrell]

She doesn't make a good point , what she makes is a typical , left leaning libtard , straw man deflection designed to tug on the heart strings of the weak minded .

Refugees find the nearest embassy and apply for asylum , these bastards aren't doing that because they know they won't have to .

Yeah, I mean all those Haitians and Cubans just lined right up at the embassy.

 

[Justus]

Because the Mexican authorities, unlike the US, beat them and imprison them. We tend to treat people like human beings. And, while Mexico isn't a totally failed state, yet, they do not offer the opportunities that the US does. It's really pretty simple. If people are so worried about these refugees being put on the dole, then end the dole. Get rid of the system they are supposedly taking advantage of then there will be no freebies to attract leeches. Then anyone who shows up as a real refugee can be dealt with accordingly.

Beat them and imprison them, OK. Where did you get that information?
It still doesn't change the fact that we're sending Mexicans immediately back to, in your terms, a semi-failed state when Honduras is the only truly failed state in the 3 main nations that these kids are from.

I don't think anyone in this discussion has a problem helping out when the situation calls for it.
I've even donated to the food banks and shelters down there because they're just kids and they're caught in the middle of all of this.

I do think that something stinks about this whole situation and the majority of Americans are being duped.
I do not live in Central America so I can't say whether or not these kids are true refugees. Some sources say they are and some sources say they aren't.
All I can do is look at how this event coincides with the the mid-terms, immigration reform and the ACA.
Plus the fact that BHO has his hand out and asking for almost $4 billion to throw at the problem.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Why is it so difficult for some people to grasp the concept that even if their home countries wouldn't be on my top 5 list of places to move THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT OUR PROBLEM. What is so tough about that especially for an isolationist Libertarian. Anyone who would argue pout of one side of his mouth that abortion is justified by the NAP because th unborn child has initiated aggression by being where it isn't wanted and/or being parasitic in spite of the fact that most normal people understand that spreading your legs causes that situation and does not consider people, children or otherwise, invading our country to enjoy a parasitic existence at our expense to be any problem whatsoever, but rather become our right and proper responsibility. I think you are out of your goddamned mind.

 

[mrjarrell]

Beat them and imprison them, OK. Where did you get that information?
It still doesn't change the fact that we're sending Mexicans immediately back to, in your terms, a semi-failed state when Honduras is the only truly failed state in the 3 main nations that these kids are from.

I don't think anyone in this discussion has a problem helping out when the situation calls for it.
I've even donated to the food banks and shelters down there because they're just kids and they're caught in the middle of all of this.

I do think that something stinks about this whole situation and the majority of Americans are being duped.
I do not live in Central America so I can't say whether or not these kids are true refugees. Some sources say they are and some sources say they aren't.
All I can do is look at how this event coincides with the the mid-terms, immigration reform and the ACA.
Plus the fact that BHO has his hand out and asking for almost $4 billion to throw at the problem.

Well, don't worry yourself over it. The ones who aren't actual refugees are starting to get deported back. It isn't going to be an instantaneous flow, but the ones who aren't will wind their way through the system and be sent back.
Undocumented Women, Children Deported to Honduras - NBC News

As for the rest. There is no immigration reform on the horizon, mostly because of the elections. They're all scared to even move in any direction on the matter. The TEA party has the reps scared spitless to do anything and the dems don't want to **** off their base. That's a non issue.

 

[level.eleven]

It is interesting to note the different reactions to these children and the Romeike children.

 

[mrjarrell]

It is interesting to note the different reactions to these children and the Romeike children.

Yep. Some "refugees" are better than others, I guess. The Romeike's kids didn't face death, threats of rape or forced gang servitude. Just the law that said they had to go to school in a country with a decent school system.

 

[88GT]

It is interesting to note the different reactions to these children and the Romeike children.

Yeah, it is. The Romeikes came here LEGALLY.

They followed the proper path seeking asylum.

They we're granted asylum.

And then it was stripped from them for political reasons.




Better luck next time, boys.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Yep. Some "refugees" are better than others, I guess. The Romeike's kids didn't face death, threats of rape or forced gang servitude. Just the law that said they had to go to school in a country with a decent school system.

I have to ask--did you destroy your Birth Certificate and/or other credentials establishing your US citizenship and declare yourself a 'citizen of the universe' at some point?

 

[mrjarrell]

I have to ask--did you destroy your Birth Certificate and/or other credentials establishing your US citizenship and declare yourself a 'citizen of the universe' at some point?

Are you on crack?

 

[printcraft]

Are you on crack?

Do you have any left?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Are you on crack?

I was wondering the same thing about you. After all, you are the one who seems devoid of any sense of identity with or loyalty toward the republic aside from quoting limitations on government from the Constitution. Aside from that, you seem to side with our enemies and/or parasites most of the time. A self-declared adherent of the NAP who supports people who act in aggression to our detriment just doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense to me. That was the best explanation that came to mind.

 

[mrjarrell]

No-one down there, (other than perhaps the drug traffickers) is engaged in any aggression. Are you seriously asserting that these kids are aggressing against the US? I will await your proof of that allegation. They are seeking refuge and a better life, (even the ones who aren't actual refugees could likely be classed as economic refugees, but that's a whole other ball of wax). If not being a nationalistic pom pom girl is a bad thing, then so be it. These kids are not our enemies, despite what you might think. The fact that you see them that way says a whole lot about you.

 

[IndyDave1776]

No-one down there, (other than perhaps the drug traffickers) is engaged in any aggression. Are you seriously asserting that these kids are aggressing against the US? I will await your proof of that allegation. They are seeking refuge and a better life, (even the ones who aren't actual refugees could likely be classed as economic refugees, but that's a whole other ball of wax). If not being a nationalistic pom pom girl is a bad thing, then so be it. These kids are not our enemies, despite what you might think. The fact that you see them that way says a whole lot about you.

Yes. Violation of our border and our law is agression. I don't give a ******* if they want a better life, they are no more entitled to help themselves contrary to our laws to our country than they are to my home. Yes, the fact I see it that way firmly establishes that I am not an anarchist. I believe in helping others, but not necessarily on their terms which is the demand presented when they help themselves. Once again, if you really believe the sh*t you are spewing, why don't you take a few of them in yourself?

 

[mrjarrell]

I'd have no problem taking in a kid in need, no matter what country they come from, if it came down to it. It would be the decent human thing to do. What about you? Planning on taking in a refugee? Of course you wouldn't. So, these violent, criminals kids crossing the border (you do know it's just a misdemeanor, right?) are aggressing against you. They're certainly not aggressing against the country. Only another country could do that. I think the only thing you've firmly established is that you don't care and are some kind of nationalist. Free country. Be what you wanna be.

 

[miguel]

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'd have no problem taking in a kid in need, no matter what country they come from, if it came down to it. It would be the decent human thing to do. What about you? Planning on taking in a refugee? Of course you wouldn't. So, these violent, criminals kids crossing the border (you do know it's just a misdemeanor, right?) are aggressing against you. They're certainly not aggressing against the country. Only another country could do that. I think the only thing you've firmly established is that you don't care and are some kind of nationalist. Free country. Be what you wanna be.

******* you and your smartass remarks. I doubt you have seen the time when you spent more charitably than on yourself.

They are causing me expense between law enforcement resources, housing them, feeding them, importing disease that will again come out of taxation. There was a time when I was convinced that you were basically what you presented yourself to be. I cannot comprehend a point at which libertarian and socialist thought meet in a way that they can philosophically coexist. Taken in combination with your open ill will toward Republicans, I am left to conclude that you are nothing but a socialist with habits that keep you in venues in which open socialism is not generally welcomed.