Predict the 1st Banning for uncivil behavior in the new Religious Threads...

[IndyDave1776]

Hey - a bit of a derail/crossover post.

There's kinda a patron saint of Muslims.

St. George.

Moslems don't like dragons any better than we do?

 

[PistolBob]

Is it a special cloth, other than due to its use? Some symbolism behind it as in it must be a certain color or have certain symbols? Is the same cloth used repeatedly? Does it stay in the church or do people take it home? Is it just one for the church or does everyone have their own?

This is really interesting to me, I've never heard of such a thing.

Oral Roberts ministry used to sell what we called "Healin' Hankies" on his television show. These were special cloths that they had laid hands on, buy one and apply it to your afflicted body parts...let your imagination go wild. Some of the TV evangelists would even suggest you lay hands on the back of your set while they healed you over the TV.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Oral Roberts ministry used to sell what we called "Healin' Hankies" on his television show. These were special cloths that they had laid hands on, buy one and apply it to your afflicted body parts...let your imagination go wild. Some of the TV evangelists would even suggest you lay hands on the back of your set while they healed you over the TV.

When the church is turned into a house of merchandise, you will see all kinds of things.

 

[BugI02]

...a "let's talk about religion" thread. Sounds like fun. Take a Memorial Day weekend off from INGO and this is what happens. Interesting.

Get thee behind me, barrister. lol

 

[T.Lex]

Moslems don't like dragons any better than we do?

When dragons are outlawed, only outlaws will have dragons.

 

[Fenway]

When do we ban someone?

 

[mbills2223]

When do we ban someone?

Give me a second... I've got a post I've been saving for a special occassion..

 

[IndyDave1776]

When dragons are outlawed, only outlaws will have dragons.

When do we ban someone?

I suppose when they need it. Is this an academic question or is there something in particular of concern?

 

[ATM]

When do we ban someone?

When they break a rule?



Just kidding, when they irk the management.

 

[Fenway]

Seems like we are all doing a nice job in here

I suppose when they need it. Is this an academic question or is there something in particular of concern?

 

[BugI02]

Give me a second... I've got a post I've been saving for a special occassion..

You can't bet on yourself in the dead pool.

 

[T.Lex]

When do we ban someone?

What is the terminal velocity of an unladen swallow?

 

[mbills2223]

Bashing each other? You are all in the same club.

Atheists do have some reason to be upset.

We are told that we are held in roughly the same regard (or lower) than rapists.

We are held up as boogiemen to scare children and the elderly at church. I wish that was a joke, but I have witnessed it with my own eyes...and will never step foot in another Protestant church during service because of it.

We are legally barred from holding public office in several municipalities in the US.

We are told we do not exist in foxholes...but we do.

Crazy that a service would include such things. Catholic beliefs ( I believe what I'm about to say is related, but I may be off) is that only those who truly believe Jesus is the Way and still turn their heart from Him are the "sinners" which it sounds like you've heard Atheists compared to. I fully expect to see Atheists, Agnostics, Jews, Muslims, etc. in the afterlife. Only believers who turn away willfully are thought to be doomed to an eternity separated from Grave.

Sorry that jerks act that way towards you, my friend.

 

[IndyDave1776]

What is the terminal velocity of an unladen swallow?

9.832 metres (32.26 ft) per s² minus frictional resistance and lift from the swallow's wings

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Hey - a bit of a derail/crossover post.

There's kinda a patron saint of Muslims.

St. George.

Islam is built on the foundation of Christianity in the same way Christianity is built on the foundation of Judaism. Most of the major players in the history are the same, as the history IS the same until the final prophet and the divergence of the faiths. The five major prophets of Islam are very familiar to Christians, being Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed.

When I was in Jordan I did some of the Mosaic trail. In my ignorance, when people were talking about it I thought they mean mosaics like bits of stone being used to make pictures. It didn't strike me at first that "Mosaic" was what they figured we'd understand in English as "related to Moses." It is a very harsh and desolate landscape, but it is also a oddly small piece of land. When you read about the kingdoms and the battles and the plights, everything seems like its on such an epic scale. When you see it in person, its a mixture of oddly pedestrian and excitement at the same time.

 

[BugI02]

Islam is built on the foundation of Christianity in the same way Christianity is built on the foundation of Judaism. Most of the major players in the history are the same, as the history IS the same until the final prophet and the divergence of the faiths. The five major prophets of Islam are very familiar to Christians, being Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed.

When I was in Jordan I did some of the Mosaic trail. In my ignorance, when people were talking about it I thought they mean mosaics like bits of stone being used to make pictures. It didn't strike me at first that "Mosaic" was what they figured we'd understand in English as "related to Moses." It is a very harsh and desolate landscape, but it is also a oddly small piece of land. When you read about the kingdoms and the battles and the plights, everything seems like its on such an epic scale. When you see it in person, its a mixture of oddly pedestrian and excitement at the same time.

Rastafarianism is built on that same foundation. Not all houses built on a solid foundation are themselves solid

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Crazy that a service would include such things. Catholic beliefs ( I believe what I'm about to say is related, but I may be off) is that only those who truly believe Jesus is the Way and still turn their heart from Him are the "sinners" which it sounds like you've heard Atheists compared to. I fully expect to see Atheists, Agnostics, Jews, Muslims, etc. in the afterlife. Only believers who turn away willfully are thought to be doomed to an eternity separated from Grave.

Sorry that jerks act that way towards you, my friend.

I will say my experience with hillbilly churches were extremely exclusionary. They also felt themselves to be the arbitrator of who was "truly Christian." We left one church because the pastor complained about women wearing pants being un-Christian. My grandmother was a large woman and a farm wife and she wore pants daily and took offense. There was certainly no room for atheists, etc, nor was their room for gays, interracial couples, etc. My first wife was Catholic, and we did try a Unitarian church. They were very welcoming, but I was not ready yet and did not attend long.

My grandfather as a youth in West Virginia was originally in a snake handling church until another (unrelated) boy died after a bite and my great-grandfather decided that perhaps he didn't have enough faith to survive a bite either... Of some interest, his wife was a converted Cherokee and repeatedly told her husband he was an idiot to play with snakes, faith or no. I can only imagine the level of "I told you so" that played out in that household.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

I will say my experience with hillbilly churches were extremely exclusionary.

I find similar attitudes among younger atheists. Probably more accurate to call them anti-deists.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I will say my experience with hillbilly churches were extremely exclusionary. They also felt themselves to be the arbitrator of who was "truly Christian." We left one church because the pastor complained about women wearing pants being un-Christian. My grandmother was a large woman and a farm wife and she wore pants daily and took offense. There was certainly no room for atheists, etc, nor was their room for gays, interracial couples, etc. My first wife was Catholic, and we did try a Unitarian church. They were very welcoming, but I was not ready yet and did not attend long.

My grandfather as a youth in West Virginia was originally in a snake handling church until another (unrelated) boy died after a bite and my great-grandfather decided that perhaps he didn't have enough faith to survive a bite either... Of some interest, his wife was a converted Cherokee and repeatedly told her husband he was an idiot to play with snakes, faith or no. I can only imagine the level of "I told you so" that played out in that household.

As I recover from chuckling, my favorite response to the pants issue comes from what most people would consider a hillbilly church. The pastor read through the passage of scripture in question, addressed the fact that pants as we know them hadn't been invented yet, said a little about the idea that the casual observer should be able to tell which gender you are, and finished with the admonition, "Ladies, don't wear your husband's clothes in public" which was met with the expected laughter. This is yet another example of people who take a minor detail from scripture, make it into more than it is, and then try to make it a major doctrine.

I am with grandma in the second story. Believing in the power of God to protect you from harm and deliberately putting yourself in harm's way to prove a point are two different things. Christ addressed this point when Satan suggested that he thrown himself down because he was under protection, and Christ answered with scripture that you are not to tempt God. That said, I am not going to make a cottage industry out of railing at people who like to play with snakes.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I find similar attitudes among younger atheists. Probably more accurate to call them anti-deists.

Also true. When you look at religions like a science, with literal application of all statements, you can always find contradictions and things that defy human logic. As such, it becomes a "I'm so much smarter than you because I see what you don't see." We see it here in political discussions, too. If you don't agree with me, it must be because you are to stupid to see it the right way.