just getting around to joining ( Indiana Home Guard )

[BADWOLF]

Damn sorry, that was to libertarian of me.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

1. The founding fathers abhorred the idea of a standing army on US soil that's a given & that is a fact.

​It's also a fact that the war of 1812 went very poorly for the US due to reliance on "irregulars" and militias, and the nation's tune changed pretty quick after that. But, ok. List the assaults on liberty of the standing US military that the country has faced over the past century or so.

2. The Bill of Rights is not just an arbitrary bunch of guidelines it is to protect the rights of the citizens from an over reaching government

Neat. Militias have done what, and plan to do what, about this? Seems like boring ol' civil suits and the gov't court system has been the agent of change in most cases. You could argue militias played a role in the ending of slavery, but they played on both sides so that'd be a tough sell.

3. A true militia reports to no one higher than the governor of the state.

Who told you that? Maybe pick up a history of regional militias during the war of 1812, Spanish/American War, etc. On that note, however, who does this "militia" report to? Who decides what "tyranny" is?

In any **** hit the fan scenario no matter what it is whether it is a natural disaster, or a tyrannical government I personally would rather be with an organized group then by myself. Um what is that " strength in numbers "

So, what's the actual plan for this strength in numbers? Are the militia men going to abandon homestead and/or family to rally at the...what, exactly? Oregon showed what happens when the stakes get real pretty well, and the danger there was simply being arrested. It quickly went from being Live Action Role Play to "I just wanna go home" and that was the people who bothered to show.

If you want a group to live action role play soldier with, knock yourself out. If you actually want to make your community better or safer, there are much better ways to spend your time and effort.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Badwolf, don't take this as an insult. Why are you interested in joining this particular militia? Have you served in the military and if not, could you possibly join the National Guard? I'm trying to determine if your reason(s) is to protect your family from others or just be prepared to provide alternative food sources?

I feel compelled to point out that by the time a private militia would be relevant, the National Guard would either be irrelevant or actively participating on the wrong side of the Constitution.

 

[Kutnupe14]

The thing that irks me about militias, is the overwhelming lack of professionalism they seem to have (I don't know if this is the case with yours Badwolf). It would be very difficult for me to work with people that I think would be a liability. I think generally, militias are outdoors social clubs (with guns). Guys rant and rave about govt, have beers, rub their guts, get away from the wife, eat BBQ.... so essentially, when I'm 55, I'm signing up..... but now, I see no legitimate reason.

 

[Spear Dane]

No desire to join a militia whatsoever. In fact where ever they are during a situation (if anywhere) is precisely where I do not want to be.

 

[IndyDave1776]

No desire to join a militia whatsoever. In fact where ever they are during a situation (if anywhere) is precisely where I do not want to be.

I guess it depends on how you define 'militia'. If you mean the sum total of armed adult citizens, locally represented such that the same group of people eating is a family/friends dinner, the same people at worship is a church, and the same people either studying civics or preparing 'just in case' is a militia, that's one thing. If you are talking about something like what I saw advertised several years back in which some self-styled 'general' ran a classified ad recruiting members, no I am not interested in going to sort my way through a bunch of complete strangers which probably includes a duke's mixture of more or less normal albeit concerned folks, people with delusions of being heirs of the tradition of "Mad Mike" Hoare, people who are just plain nuts, and of course your standard sprinkling of feds and/or informants who are likely going to be trying to catch you and/or encourage you to step across the line with the law so they can have a big press conference while they arrange for you to spend a decade or two on the free room an board program, no I am not the least bit interested.

 

[Clay]

according to the original definition of a militia.... I'm already a member.

 

[vitamink]

This video always cracks me up.

"Sargent major tomahawk!!!!"

[video=youtube_share;1ofvLg-KbEE]http://youtu.be/1ofvLg-KbEE[/video]

 

[smidrow]

This video always cracks me up.

"Sargent major tomahawk!!!!"

[video=youtube_share;1ofvLg-KbEE]http://youtu.be/1ofvLg-KbEE[/video]

LMAO I wouldn't let them watch my cat....Jon Conner LOL....thought he passed away during the last terminator....the one dude is about outta uniform lol......I take my chances with the FEW people I Trust My family and close friends

 

[1775usmarine]

In 30 sec I learned how to make all kinds of things that go boom or make you cry.

 

[trucker777]

Nope no milita for me no thanks, unless (hypothetically speaking) we were to have a Red Dawn (Wolverines) scenerio. Not likely to happen...
Realistically speaking though, if I knew how to ride a horse...
I would consider joining the LaPorte County Sherriff's Mounted Posse. - they aren't just in parades but actually serve in tandem with the Sherriff's dept should occasion arise. (Think search and rescue & disasters).
Actually since the Sherriff is the highest local authority in any given community, everyone who is able bodied should get to know their local Sherriff and make themselves available to assist in any matter if the need/occasion should arise. This, I believe is the proper route and channel to follow .vs rogue "militia" elements and factions. Realistically, if there were 1,000 different militia factions any situation would rapidly devolve in to a state of feudalism and or civil war.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Nope no milita for me no thanks, unless (hypothetically speaking) we were to have a Red Dawn (Wolverines) scenerio. Not likely to happen...
Realistically speaking though, if I knew how to ride a horse...
I would consider joining the LaPorte County Sherriff's Mounted Posse. - they aren't just in parades but actually serve in tandem with the Sherriff's dept should occasion arise. (Think search and rescue & disasters).
Actually since the Sherriff is the highest local authority in any given community, everyone who is able bodied should get to know their local Sherriff and make themselves available to assist in any matter if the need/occasion should arise. This, I believe is the proper route and channel to follow .vs rogue "militia" elements and factions. Realistically, if there were 1,000 different militia factions any situation would rapidly devolve in to a state of feudalism and or civil war.

While that may well prove true, the problem, just as with political parties (the existence of which Washington warned us to be dangerous), is that it is simply not possible to prevent like-minded people from congregating, which usually results in some type of action when the occasion arises, be it an election or a state of disorder.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

While that may well prove true, the problem, just as with political parties (the existence of which Washington warned us to be dangerous), is that it is simply not possible to prevent like-minded people from congregating, which usually results in some type of action when the occasion arises, be it an election or a state of disorder.

Which is why we have a court system to solve disputes instead of feudal warlords. You want to reform the system? Start with the courts. You want to talk about something self governance has made a complete quagmire, lawyers and the court system they've invented is a pretty good example. Needlessly complex, patched together to keep it running instead of actually overhauling, a healthy dose of keeping the layman out, and making it more about playing the game than about truth/right/wrong.

As screwed up as it is, though, it's still a heck of a lot better than tribal warfare and the endless cycles of revenge killings they lead to. Unfortunately, the chickens are coming home to roost and people on both sides of the aisle are getting what they wanted in terms of pushing back toward tribalism.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Which is why we have a court system to solve disputes instead of feudal warlords. You want to reform the system? Start with the courts. You want to talk about something self governance has made a complete quagmire, lawyers and the court system they've invented is a pretty good example. Needlessly complex, patched together to keep it running instead of actually overhauling, a healthy dose of keeping the layman out, and making it more about playing the game than about truth/right/wrong.

As screwed up as it is, though, it's still a heck of a lot better than tribal warfare and the endless cycles of revenge killings they lead to. Unfortunately, the chickens are coming home to roost and people on both sides of the aisle are getting what they wanted in terms of pushing back toward tribalism.

Don't get so excited just yet. I am not advocating such a (non)system, just pointing out an element of human nature that makes this type of thinking difficult to see consigned to the past. I certainly don't want to live in Somalia 2.0!

 

[trucker777]

While that may well prove true, the problem, just as with political parties (the existence of which Washington warned us to be dangerous), is that it is simply not possible to prevent like-minded people from congregating, which usually results in some type of action when the occasion arises, be it an election or a state of disorder.

Indeed, "like mindedness" is the key. I would venture to say that in Washington's day thoughts were focused on freedom from oppressive tyranny and also life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness was on their minds. They were the minority and they paid a great price to get it.

Now days it seems the revolutionary line of thought is; "liberty is for to happily pursue free stuff for life"

 

[IndyDave1776]

Indeed, "like mindedness" is the key. I would venture to say that in Washington's day thoughts were focused on freedom from oppressive tyranny and also life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness was on their minds. They were the minority and they paid a great price to get it.

Now days it seems the revolutionary line of thought is; "liberty is for to happily pursue free stuff for life"

 

[trucker777]

Which is why we have a court system to solve disputes instead of feudal warlords. You want to reform the system? Start with the courts. You want to talk about something self governance has made a complete quagmire, lawyers and the court system they've invented is a pretty good example. Needlessly complex, patched together to keep it running instead of actually overhauling, a healthy dose of keeping the layman out, and making it more about playing the game than about truth/right/wrong.

As screwed up as it is, though, it's still a heck of a lot better than tribal warfare and the endless cycles of revenge killings they lead to. Unfortunately, the chickens are coming home to roost and people on both sides of the aisle are getting what they wanted in terms of pushing back toward tribalism.

Yes, we need courts to revert back to truth/right/wrong. It boils down to the people, the mess didn't just happen overnight.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Just out of curiosity, why do all the militia guys dress up in bdus? If the SHTF, are they going to find a phonebooth, pull a superman, and get to work? Why not just carry a tact vest, with some sort of identifier for your group, throw it one and rock 'n roll?

 

[trucker777]

I believe the system is salvagable and can be restored, but better men than myself (particularly the men of the cloth types) will need to get it together first in my opinion. There would have to be a return to the love of the truth for real freedom to ever flourish again. Just my

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Don't get so excited just yet. I am not advocating such a (non)system, just pointing out an element of human nature that makes this type of thinking difficult to see consigned to the past. I certainly don't want to live in Somalia 2.0!

I didn't think you were, I'm just pointing out how clever the idea of a court system is to combat that very thing. Ideally, the strength of the nation backing the rule of law irrelevant to the power of the two parties involved in the dispute. Truly one of mankinds great progresses beyond might makes right. Just on my mind as I'm currently reading about pre-Islamic Arabic societies. If your tribe wasn't powerful enough to protect you, there was no law for you. Even with the advent of Chivalric agreements between certain clans were used to avoid bloodshed and seek a 3rd party's judgement, the cycles of revenge thefts, leading to killings, leading to revenge killings, etc. One only needs to look at modern street gangs to see the same issues when "might makes right" is the rule of the land.