Indy Police shoot Homeowner instead of Perp

[pudly]

My understanding of the situation is that your assessment is fairly accurate. The worst part in this from my view is that I believe most of us would have done the same thing as the homeowner with the same result and most of us would have done the same as the officer. No winners here and nobody with clean hands either. The homeowner, officer, even dispatch all share some responsibility and none to my knowledge did anything that they would reasonably do differently if in that situation again.

This is why post incident analysis and ongoing training are so important. We can all learn from these situations.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I forsee another Kirkism being added to my sig... That gentleman is full of sage advice.

 

[singlesix]

My understanding of the situation is that your assessment is fairly accurate. The worst part in this from my view is that I believe most of us would have done the same thing as the homeowner with the same result and most of us would have done the same as the officer. No winners here and nobody with clean hands either. The homeowner, officer, even dispatch all share some responsibility and none to my knowledge did anything that they would reasonably do differently if in that situation again.

As others stated before, stay in the boat. Stuff can be replaced, why expose yourself to an unknown situation, stay put in a secure area. So I guess I'm not "most of us".

 

[Alpo]

As others stated before, stay in the boat. Stuff can be replaced, why expose yourself to an unknown situation, stay put in a secure area. So I guess I'm not "most of us".

Some folks are genetically predisposed to run toward trouble while others hunker down or flee. All three types carry risk.

 

[Rookie]

I forsee another Kirkism being added to my sig... That gentleman is full of sage advice.

He's definitely full of something!

:P

 

[singlesix]

Some folks are genetically predisposed to run toward trouble while others hunker down or flee. All three types carry risk.

With training it is possible to overcome this defect. All three are valid, given that the police were called which carried the most risk?

 

[Alpo]

Agree that training helps.

I don't know the facts, but running out and opening a closed garage door doesn't sound very tactical.....

I probably would have had a high lumen flashlight in hand with a holstered firearm...but that's just me.

 

[skulhedface]

It's easy to armchair quarterback this to death. I'm just saying that I'd imagine for a whole bunch of us.. 4 am wife wakes you up screaming that someone pulled a gun on her in the driveway, I'd be armed and outside pretty quickly. Otherwise I'd probably join inphoneowners.

Regarding the training, well the homeowner in this case is a Marine so that's the background.

Edit. I'm not saying going out is the most logical choice, I'm not generally super logical at 4am anyway though

 

[singlesix]

This is INGO so I have to ask: "What the heck was your wife doing outside by herself at 4am, more to this story" )

 

[bobzilla]

This is INGO so I have to ask: "What the heck was your wife doing outside by herself at 4am, more to this story" )

Going to work. Coming home to work. My wife has done both.

 

[nakinate]

This is INGO so I have to ask: "What the heck was your wife doing outside by herself at 4am, more to this story" )

Whocares if she was working the corner? What's it to ya?

 

[bwframe]

Boils down to the fact that we don't have the whole story.

 

[foszoe]

In the movies they always yell "Police!"

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The worst part in this from my view is that I believe most of us would have done the same thing as the homeowner with the same result...

Then most of us should ask what we're trying to accomplish. What are my goals, here? The spouse is now safe and you're safer inside. Wandering outside is setting yourself up for an ambush. Using cover inside the house and covering the entrance until the cavalry arrives is the most tactically sound approach.

The issue is we seldom play 'what if' ahead of time, fail to have these plans on board, and then react based on instinct. The reason to rush outside is not in our logical forebrain, it's in our more primitive brain and deals with being territorial. "That SOB isn't going to be on MY turf." That's great if your life and your tribe's lives depend on the resources on your turf. Modern society has evolved a bit, the guy isn't out stealing your fruit. Pre-plan events and respond with forebrain actions. It sets you up for success.

 

[MCgrease08]

It's easy to armchair quarterback this to death. I'm just saying that I'd imagine for a whole bunch of us.. 4 am wife wakes you up screaming that someone pulled a gun on her in the driveway, I'd be armed and outside pretty quickly. Otherwise I'd probably join inphoneowners.

I have been in this exact same scenario. My Wife and two of her friends were robbed at gunpoint in front of my house after they came home from a girl's night out. She woke me up screaming. I grabbed the bedside gun out of the safe and called 911.

Fortunately I did not go outside because an officer was at the house in less than 2 minutes. My gun was in a holster, but not on my belt. Had I been outside when he showed up, I could easily imagine him seeing me holding the grip of the gun in the dark and missing the fact that it was holstered.

Stay inside. There is no reason to go out and put yourself in greater danger.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ife-friends-robbed-gunpoint-my-own-house.html

 

[bocefus78]

Fox 59 just said the homeowner stated that there was no verbal warning given before the shot, and is considering filing suit.

 

[singlesix]

This is my surprised face

 

[churchmouse]

Fox 59 just said the homeowner stated that there was no verbal warning given before the shot, and is considering filing suit.

If this is absolutely true then what would any of us do.
I sure would not send him a thank you card.

If it is not true then shame on him.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Fox 59 just said the homeowner stated that there was no verbal warning given before the shot, and is considering filing suit.

Indy Star is saying the same. Homeowner is a vet and former MP.... he may be geared to confront threats. I imagine that is a hard habit to break for any former LEO. I know you guys lament the racial component being interjected, but as a black man, and legal gun owner, you can't help but wonder if "black guy with a gun" factored into this.

 

[bobzilla]

Indy Star is saying the same. Homeowner is a vet and former MP.... he may be geared to confront threats. I imagine that is a hard habit to break for any former LEO. I know you guys lament the racial component being interjected, but as a black man, and legal gun owner, you can't help but wonder if "black guy with a gun" factored into this.

In carmel? Yeah, it might. I just don't see IMPD as "shoot the black guy with a gun first" type of dept. Unless this officer just transferred from CPD. Then you might have something. [<--- this is supposed to be read in fuchsia font with a tinge of pink]

In reality, I think it's much simpler here. "Man with a gun", color being excluded and the fact that it's 4am, you've been called to the scene of a car-jacking and you see a man with a gun.

Edited as I thought hte purple would come through on it's own... my apologies.