Nazi Flag Display on Emerson Avenue (Indy)

[Sylvain]

I no longer believe Sylvain is from Europe or even French....I researched his facebook account and found THIS picture of him!!!!!!!!!

As I always believed he's one of us.....

I love this guy, he's a singer.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

My mom had a swastika Indian rug in our living room growing up.It did offend some who did not ask.The ones who did left with a history lesson........I say they look like New England.....Not as refined as a H&R.

 

[indiucky]

My mom had a swastika Indian rug in our living room growing up.It did offend some who did not ask.The ones who did left with a history lesson........I say they look like New England.....Not as refined as a H&R.

Maybe...The case colors on that one SEEM like it MAY be an H&R...They are bright and nice!!!!

 

[indiucky]

I love this guy, he's a singer.

Dagnabit Frenchy you're ruining my joke.... Oh and I want one of these...

Oh and I need a good French woodcock recipe...Our new property has a nice bit of cover and there are woodcock everywhere!!!! The favored gamebird of my hunting hero Guy De La Valdene...(He wrote a great book on Woodcock hunting..Amd my google foo shows his daughter may died under mysterious circumstances...The problem with admiring people only famous in very small circles is you don't get the latest news...)

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article4827450.html


The Count of Florida they call him...Our own French Aristocrat!!!!

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Minor swears...

[video=youtube;tJ5hXwo4De0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ5hXwo4De0[/video]

 

[NKBJ]

#26 said it all.

 

[gregr]

Context: I was raised in a Jewish household. That religion is still the basis of my practice, but I'm not a member of any organized religion. Clear? Good.

I support his right to fly whatever flag he wants. He's expressing his opinion. Do I think he's an asshat? Sure. But he's within his rights to do so. If/when he decides to start acting on Nazi or similar ideology, starts setting up camps and ovens, I'll worry about what he's doing. Right now, he's just being an idiot.

The Confederate Battle Flag? I own one myself. Context: I went to a high school named after General Lee. I've had that flag in a drawer in my dresser since about 1985. I'm not a racist: I hate everyone equally. (credit: Harry Callahan)

Gadsden: That's a warning, a dare, same as "Molon Labe". I'm a peaceable man. I don't dare people and I don't try to incite them to do things that will result in criminal activity for them or from me. I don't want to have to do harm to anyone. That doesn't mean I won't, defensively, just that I don't want to.

Result: I don't fly any flags. I don't put stickers on my car daring people to rob me. I sure don't go out of my way to put a crosshair on my back, nor do I duct tape trauma plates there to try to draw .308 fire.

I support this guy's right to do what he's doing now: Flying flags and identifying himself for what he is. There is an old Irish phrase:
May those who love us love us.
And those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts.
And if He doesn't turn their hearts,
May he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.

This guy is in dire need of some crutches!

Blessings,
Bill

Perfect Bill, just perfect. And without the "He ought to have his ass kicked" thug mentality. How absolutely refreshing for around here...

 

[Bill of Rights]

Perfect Bill, just perfect. And without the "He ought to have his ass kicked" thug mentality. How absolutely refreshing for around here...

Thanks Greg. It's like I said- I'm a peaceable man. I can think of very few things that will have me spoiling for an actual fight. I'd much rather avoid it, talk out what can be talked out. There are some things that can't just be talked out, of course:

(sorry for the enormous image: it was originally about 3x bigger!)
But what the guy on Emerson is doing isn't fight-worthy. It's barely noteworthy. Of course, the media is giving him exactly what he wants: Attention.

Had people driven by, shaken their heads, and just ignored it, he'd probably have escalated, moved stuff so people HAD to see. Had they continued to ignore, he'd either have done something more, or he'd have just tucked his tail, taken things down, and just gone back to his quiet life before he had flags out for people to be ticked off about.
I'm reminded of a little girl we used to babysit. She came in one day, mad as hell that Mommy was leaving for work. (I should add here that little one was used to Mommy seeing her tantrums and getting down on the floor to bark like a dog to distract her out of tantrums, etc. At OUR house, however... um... no. Just no.) 7th Stepper (aka Mrs. BoR) looked down at the kicking, screaming child in the middle of our living room floor and said, "When you're done, I'll be in the kitchen." and walked away, taking away her audience. (Little one hadn't figured out that the display cabinets we have have mirrors that gave a perfect view into the living room, and she wasn't unobserved, just unreacted-to) Took about 30-45 seconds. She came into the kitchen, and was asked,
"You done?"
"Yesh."
"Want some breakfast?"
"Yesh pweeze."
And the day went on.

Let's get real: He hasn't harmed anyone. The guy put up three pieces of cloth. In and of itself, this is nothing. The news media and the neighbors are trying to punish him for wrongthink. If people have a reason to be up in arms, THAT would be a reason to want to do something-to the media and the neighbors, not to him.

Again, thanks for your kind words.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[BugI02]

Once upon a time in America, we had freedom of speech and expression. It was understood that everyone had the innate right to openly state what was on their minds, and to generally express that however they saw fit. Not so in America today. Unless you express culturally prescribed thoughts and views, you`re shouted down, and even attacked with force. Make no mistake, the Swastika represents evil on a monumental scale, and probably exposes the heart and mind of the person displaying it, but where there once was freedom, there is no more. And contrary to what some claim, no, it`s hardly freedom of speech if there`s a price to pay for it, any price.

Interestingly, it depends too on exactly what kind of display is being discussed. Soft porn on television is somehow alright. When I`ve complained about that, I`m told to "turn the channel if you don`t like it". Nevermind how it impacts the culture, and especially the kids. But when someone bristles and is offended by a cross in a town square, somehow simply turning their head isn`t good enough. That must be dealt with. America is a funny place these days, it`s a place where very often, evil is called good, and good is called evil.

Back to the point of the thread, yes, it says a lot about the condition of the heart and soul of a person who feels it`s appropriate to display a Swastika flag, but it`s sad that freedom of expression is dead in America.

"The Devil's greatest accomplishment was convincing the world he didn't exist.”

 

[BugI02]

I just sold $1600 worth of Nazi daggers (the best Heer Dagger and most complete dagger, including the hangers I have ever had...Period...) and Hitler youth knives to a local Doctor who is no way shape or form a racist....He collects WW 2 stuff....German and American stuff only....They are out there...


One of my customers had a German battle Flag displayed in his room and had the police called out to his house...The LEO told him to get rid of it or keep his shades drawn closed....He refused and they have never bothered him again about it....

Just so. When I used to collect Mausers, among the most expensive pieces were Nazi proof marked and/or bring back or definitively battle used. I saw some really beat up examples bring some startling prices - especially gewehr 98s, which is what I was after

ETA: And before someone inevitably goes there, yesss I realize there are no nazi proof-marked gewehr 98s

 

[BugI02]

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The power of nostalgia. We used to assassinate people for "openly stating what was on their minds".

"... used to ..." ?

 

[BugI02]

It's never a guy in a suit in a BMW with racist flags flying.....always white trash in a POS. Same for this guy's house.

Which, I hope you realize, is not the same as saying no suits in BMWs are racist trash, they are just more circumspect because they have more to lose if they get on trhe wrong side of SJW 'history'

One's socio-economic status has little to do with one's worth as a man. If you were picking your team to fight a life and death battle, would you pick Mr Suit first?

 

[BugI02]

Sylvain, I know you are not an expert but I know you recognized the difference between a regular and hitler youth flag in another thread. Do you know enough about the banners to tell if there is any significance to the fact that this banner has a white ring around the swastika? Ever seen it?

My gut is telling me the reason it is there is because it is a bad reproduction by somebody who doesnt understand the true historical significance of these and thought it would look neat with that extra ring. (based on the overall story)

Cammonk, I ran a search putting a reasonable amount of effort into it. The swastika within the white 'meatball' on a red background is always identified as a Nazi party flag, not as a flag of any military unit. In several thousand period correct photographs I could find none in which anything similar was displayed. The only mention of a flag with that inner white rectangle on the red background was a single collector auction with a similar item up for bid identified as a nazi 'table drape' and for which there were no bidders

 

[1DOWN4UP]

Just think,if he had burned and defiled the American flag,his neighbors would feel safer,and be throwing him a party.

 

[femurphy77]

The perfect flag for when you absolutely have to offend just about everybody.

If it had "Nuke the Gay Unborn Whales for Jesus" across the bottom, it would be complete.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Just so. When I used to collect Mausers, among the most expensive pieces were Nazi proof marked and/or bring back or definitively battle used. I saw some really beat up examples bring some startling prices - especially gewehr 98s, which is what I was after

ETA: And before someone inevitably goes there, yesss I realize there are no nazi proof-marked gewehr 98s

There is a member right here on INGO who has a rifle with six proof marks, as I recall. Three have the Nazi eagle (and swastika?) and three are the Star of David, of Israel. I'm going to PM him and see if he's willing to post a pic of the proofmarks and the story behind it. Really cool piece of history there.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[GIJEW]

Is it worse to be branded as a racist or Nazi? Or maybe today's cool word of the left, fascist?

It's a little ironic that the left and it's SJW are fascists, who, like the nazis are determined to stamp out expression of ideas they don't like--and like stalin, mao, and pol pot, would kill people for having those thoughts, given the chance.

to be clear, there's no room for having a reasonable, or even civil, discussion with bigots like him--please do mock him for displaying his "collector item" in the elements and saying stupid things like "people need to learn their history" so they'll know there's no bigotry associated with his flag--but until he ACTS on his bigotry, the "hate-crime" namby-pambies need to stand down.

 

[Tombs]

If it had "Nuke the Gay Unborn Whales for Jesus" across the bottom, it would be complete.

And done

 

[techres]

Since B.O.R. Asked...

BOR asked me to post pics of my mauser. So, sure, here you go.

First though: Guy was being a jackhole and knew it. Collector he might be, he knew what he was doing. Also, I am all for calling people out on their jackholery. You don't and they tend to breed. Sure it is the attention he wanted, and sad he gets to have it, but you can't just let it ride or it becomes a new normal you don't want. Try this: Some guy runs up a NAMBLA flag and then claims it to be a "collector item" and get back to me on when the pitchfork and torch meet up at the house is.

Second: The 1A is about gov't not stopping speech. Tolerance is the word for when we agree to let each other's dumb comments ride without making a deal of it. Again, there is a limit to that under the social contract, and this dude knowingly drove over it. His choice, his act, his consequence. To claim he should not get called out is a claim to lack of responsibility for one's actions and that is an anathema to Liberty with a big "L".

Third: If you want to fly the "why is everyone so easy to offend" flag in keeping with the Anti-PC thing most people here have, don't waste it on this guy. You're tainting the claim, ruining your brand and tying yourself to a jackhole when you do it. Why would people be offended? I dunno, cause of all those dead American soldiers we sent to stop the guys with those flags? Cause those flags flew over the camps some of us lost entire branches of the family tree to? Cause when you run out to wave your d*ck around in the front yard at people they are going to assume ill of you and react in defense until you give a good good reason for not being exactly what you just portrayed yourself as? If you wear the colors in public, then don't be surprised if people assume you are on the team. God, I have heard that said here a thousand times when it comes to sagging pants and thug wear...

Fourth: Yeah, I have an Israeli Mauser with Nazi Waffen Eagles on one side from it's years in the hands of evil and Israeli Stars of David on the other from it's latter years making up it. Odds are it was an early import in or before Israel's independence war since no time was taken to peen out the eagles as was common when time permitted. I have never seen one quite like it before or since:

 

[Bill of Rights]

Thanks, Tech. Much appreciated. When the gun-grabbers on the Left go into how horrible guns are, I like using the example of your Mauser to show that the gun can be art as well, and beauty. It's hard to argue against the beauty of those eagles, used to symbolize people who wanted a group dead, alongside those Stars, symbols of that group living on, long after those oppressors are dead and buried.

Blessings,
Bill

BOR asked me to post pics of my mauser. So, sure, here you go.

First though: Guy was being a jackhole and knew it. Collector he might be, he knew what he was doing. Also, I am all for calling people out on their jackholery. You don't and they tend to breed. Sure it is the attention he wanted, and sad he gets to have it, but you can't just let it ride or it becomes a new normal you don't want. Try this: Some guy runs up a NAMBLA flag and then claims it to be a "collector item" and get back to me on when the pitchfork and torch meet up at the house is.

Second: The 1A is about gov't not stopping speech. Tolerance is the word for when we agree to let each other's dumb comments ride without making a deal of it. Again, there is a limit to that under the social contract, and this dude knowingly drove over it. His choice, his act, his consequence. To claim he should not get called out is a claim to lack of responsibility for one's actions and that is an anathema to Liberty with a big "L".

Third: If you want to fly the "why is everyone so easy to offend" flag in keeping with the Anti-PC thing most people here have, don't waste it on this guy. You're tainting the claim, ruining your brand and tying yourself to a jackhole when you do it. Why would people be offended? I dunno, cause of all those dead American soldiers we sent to stop the guys with those flags? Cause those flags flew over the camps some of us lost entire branches of the family tree to? Cause when you run out to wave your d*ck around in the front yard at people they are going to assume ill of you and react in defense until you give a good good reason for not being exactly what you just portrayed yourself as? If you wear the colors in public, then don't be surprised if people assume you are on the team. God, I have heard that said here a thousand times when it comes to sagging pants and thug wear...

Fourth: Yeah, I have an Israeli Mauser with Nazi Waffen Eagles on one side from it's years in the hands of evil and Israeli Stars of David on the other from it's latter years making up it. Odds are it was an early import in or before Israel's independence war since no time was taken to peen out the eagles as was common when time permitted. I have never seen one quite like it before or since: