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[Frank_N_Stein]

Suicide is classified as a homicide.

Where?

 

[Libertarian01]

Where?

Well, as I understand it, it can either be incide or outcide.

 

[Joniki]

Where?

You are a smart man, look it up.

 

[VUPDblue]

Well according to good ol' Webster, Homicide="the killing of one human being by another". Suicide= "the taking of one's own life".

By definition they are separate. Or are you talking about some investigative agencies and how they classify the respective investigations?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

You are a smart man, look it up.

From Dictionary.com:

Suicide -
noun1.the intentional taking of one's own life.



Homicide -

noun1.the killing of one human being by another.



Suicide is not homicide, and homicide is not suicide. If you can prove me wrong, feel free.

 

[bacon#1]

Homisuicide is exactly the same as Suihomicide except on Whopper Wednesdays, and I'm pretty sure it's racist. Fact. Look it up.

 

[myhightechsec]

From Dictionary.com:

Suicide -
noun1.the intentional taking of one's own life.



Homicide -

noun1.the killing of one human being by another.



Suicide is not homicide, and homicide is not suicide. If you can prove me wrong, feel free.

It appears that varying definitions are available.

Suicide is a homicide

Legal Dictionary | Law.com

Suicide as a Form of Homicide

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-our-way/201510/suicide-form-homicide

There's enough support so that if a person wants to declare that a suicide is the same as a homicide I wouldn't dog him about it. There is a difference between a legal definition and a definition that is reasonably common/workable in the real world.

 

[Joniki]

. Suicide is a homicide, but in most cases there is no one to prosecute if the suicide is successful. Assisting or attempting suicide can be a crime.

Legal Dictionary | Law.com

Ask your local coroner.

 

[Route 45]

Legal Dictionary | Law.com

Ask your local coroner.

That definition contradicts itself, first stating that homicide is the killing of a person by another, then stating that suicide is a homicide.
Someone who commits suicide wasn't killed by "another." Can't have it both ways.

But in a world where people don't even know what gender they are.......

 

[HoughMade]

Wait...the spiritual healer killed herself?

I KNEW it!

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

That definition contradicts itself, first stating that homicide is the killing of a person by another, then stating that suicide is a homicide.
Someone who commits suicide wasn't killed by "another." Can't have it both ways.

But in a world where people don't even know what gender they are.......

Doesn't matter what contradicts what. The Legal Dictionary is obviously the last word on the subject, so we need to quit discussing it because we are obviously wrong.

 

[Joniki]

Doesn't matter what contradicts what. The Legal Dictionary is obviously the last word on the subject, so we need to quit discussing it because we are obviously wrong.

The system uses the World Health Organization (WHO) definition of a violent death: “a death resulting
from the intentional use of physical force or power against oneself, another person, or against a group
or community”.

1 The case definition includes suicides, homicides, deaths from legal intervention (a subtype of homicide where the victim is killed by law enforcement acting in the line of duty), deaths of
undetermined intent, and unintentional firearm fatalities. Deaths of
undetermined intent are included
because this category includes deaths with some evidence of intent, but without enough to definitively
classify the death as purposeful. Unintentional firearm injury deaths are included because the category
is likely to include some deaths that are in fact intentional or of undetermined intent.

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nvdrs_web_codingmanual.pdf

Like it or not, a suicide is coded as a homicide.

 

[MarkC]

The system uses the World Health Organization (WHO) definition of a violent death: “a death resulting
from the intentional use of physical force or power against oneself, another person, or against a group
or community”.

1 The case definition includes suicides, homicides, deaths from legal intervention (a subtype of homicide where the victim is killed by law enforcement acting in the line of duty), deaths of
undetermined intent, and unintentional firearm fatalities. Deaths of
undetermined intent are included
because this category includes deaths with some evidence of intent, but without enough to definitively
classify the death as purposeful. Unintentional firearm injury deaths are included because the category
is likely to include some deaths that are in fact intentional or of undetermined intent.

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nvdrs_web_codingmanual.pdf

Like it or not, a suicide is coded as a homicide.

So now the World Health Organization, an organization of the United Nations, provides a definition that they use for their purposes and that trumps everyone else's?

Definitions can vary based on who is using the term for what purpose, and the accepted definitions for most purposes in Indiana hold that suicide and homicide are different. I would have to agree with Frank and other practitioners.

Homicide and suicide, although not defined in the Indiana Code, are treated in Title 35, Article 42, Chapter 1. I would suggest those implied definitions are much more relevant to what occurs in Indiana than some UN bureaucrat's views.

 

[T.Lex]

In some quick googling, I haven't found anything authoritative (like a statute cite) for Minnesota, but the practice appears to use these categories for "Manner of Death": homicide, suicide, accident, natural, and undetermined.

In my experience, I don't believe I've ever heard "suicide" described as a subset of "homicide." Frankly, it doesn't make sense linguistically or logically. They are 2 different kinds of things. Now, "fratricide" and "patricide" are subsets of homicide, as they are more specific.

 

[myhightechsec]

Doesn't matter what contradicts what. The Legal Dictionary is obviously the last word on the subject, so we need to quit discussing it because we are obviously wrong.

Yep. Good you know your place in the world.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Yep. Good you know your place in the world.

Yes suh, massuh.

 

[myhightechsec]

So now the World Health Organization, an organization of the United Nations, provides a definition that they use for their purposes and that trumps everyone else's?

Definitions can vary based on who is using the term for what purpose, and the accepted definitions for most purposes in Indiana hold that suicide and homicide are different. I would have to agree with Frank and other practitioners.

Homicide and suicide, although not defined in the Indiana Code, are treated in Title 35, Article 42, Chapter 1. I would suggest those implied definitions are much more relevant to what occurs in Indiana than some UN bureaucrat's views.

I don't quite understand why so many people are being overly emotional about this. You got Frank with his snarky remarks just because someone showed him to be wrong... and now a poster who is dramtically declaring that one definition must somehow "trump" everyone else when the post he was answering had nothing to say about that. It just gave a definition the same as any other definition. And then he contradicts himself by admitting that definitions can "vary" and there is a "most purposes" concept.

Why not just accept the concept that suicide as a homicide is a prevalent enough idea that if someone wants to use it that way he can do so? It's not like it is a major concern in life, and since there are supporting views about it then so be it.

 

[HoughMade]

This discussion is weird.

 

[printcraft]

This discussion is weird.

I see you are new here. Let me be your guide.

 

[HoughMade]

I see you are new here. Let me be your guide.

Yeah, this, in its triviality, is even weird for INGO...especially the part where the WHO get's quoted as an authority. That's not INGO.