Charlottesville Thread by Popular Demand.....

[Dddrees]

Its funny but I just heard this statue is actually from the 1920's. It's not from the 1870's or 80's it's from the 1920's. Actually this is shortly after WWI when just so happens there was a resurgence of the KKK. Hmm, see the historical connection now. Civil War commerattion maybe, but it seems maybe it had more to do with a resurgence of the KKK and those types of ideology.

It's been there since 1924 actually.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-rally-protest-statue.html

 

[jamil]

I guess you fail to get it. I have little patience for spoiled little brats who didn't get their participation trophies or whom can't accept there are others who are not like you and somehow it would be best if we all could get along.

You are assuming that they are indeed spoiled brats. You haven't done anything but apply your own world view to interpret the inputs. Therefore you don't even know your own point of view because you don't know theirs either. Do you see how that works? How do you know they're spoiled brats? What have you done to understand them? Nothing. Because you think you already know. And you think that what you think you know tells you that the people you disagree with are unworthy of understanding deeper.

 

[Dddrees]

You are assuming that they are indeed spoiled brats. You haven't done anything but apply your own world view to interpret the inputs. Therefore you don't even know your own point of view because you don't know theirs either. Do you see how that works? How do you know they're spoiled brats? What have you done to understand them? Nothing. Because you think you already know. And you think that what you think you know tells you that the people you disagree with are unworthy of understanding deeper.

Sorry I grew up during the period when you were told no there were consequences. Yeah, I have a view and I have no problem stating or sharing it. Something's are wrong and no matter the spin that doesn't make it right. I was brought up when alternative facts didn't exist and wouldn't be tolerated.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'm guessing you like the play the "what if" game rather than the "what is."

Not really. He is just expressing irritation with the institutionalized double-standard that plenty of us get sick and tired of dealing with.

Slavery based on an inherent belief of superiority of their race over the people they enslaved?

By the standard you seem to advocate it should be morally wrong for me to hit you in the head with a piece of pipe, but perfectly acceptable for me to hit Churchmouse in the head with that same pipe. Is this really the type of logic you want to introduce into the discussion of the inherent evil of slavery?

 

[jamil]

Sorry I grew up during the period when you were told no there were consequences. Yeah, I have a view and I have no problem stating or sharing it. Something's are wrong and no matter the spin that doesn't make it right. I was brought up when alternative facts didn't exist and wouldn't be tolerated.

I'm not talking about spin. Saying these people are spoiled brats is spin. And how can you say any facts are "alternative" when you're unwilling to discover all of them?

 

[IndyDave1776]

A car was used.
And yet..... no calls for "common sense" car laws.

 

[Dddrees]

I'm not talking about spin. Saying these people are spoiled brats is spin. And how can you say any facts are "alternative" when you're unwilling to discover all of them?

Nothing to do with these comments but did you happen to see above where that statue was placed there in the 1920s?

 

[IndyDave1776]

His election alone, before ever setting foot in office, drove a lot of those wedges.

Exactly!!

Yes, promising to deconstruct the republic tends to do that, along with his racially-charged speeches.

Why are some Republicans coming out and saying that the President should denounce WS then? Certainly they are not blaming him for what happened but the believe he should denounce it.

Why does this sh*t only apply to Republicans? When the shoe was on the other foot that damned sorry ass Kenyan (yes, I am still disinclined to believe he is a natural-born citizen) sent the feds to the scene TO INVESTIGATE THE LOCAL POLICE! I sure as hell didn't hear any clamor for him to denounce the violent protester in Ferguson.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

In a city, you can plausibly aspire to start a band, or become an actor, or get a medical degree. You can actually have dreams. In a small town, there may be no venues for performing arts aside from country music bars and churches. There may only be two doctors in town -- aspiring to that job means waiting for one of them to retire or die. You open the classifieds and all of the job listings will be for fast food or convenience stores. The "downtown" is just the corpses of mom and pop stores left shattered in Walmart's blast crater, the "suburbs" are trailer parks. There are parts of these towns that look post-apocalyptic.

I'm telling you, the hopelessness eats you alive.
And if you dare complain, some liberal elite will pull out their iPad and type up a rant about your racist white privilege. Already, someone has replied to this with a comment saying, "You should try living in a ghetto as a minority!" Exactly. To them, it seems like the plight of poor minorities is only used as a club to bat away white cries for help. Meanwhile, the rate of rural white suicides and overdoses skyrockets. ****, at least politicians act like they care about the inner cities.



The above quote is from an excellent article written under the pen name "David Wong". He grew up in rural Illinois and is an editor for "Cracked". I disagree with some of his conclusions, but I think his evaluation of the nation's political situation is spot on.

PS: On a more specific note, last night telegraph.co.uk was reporting that someone in the group threw a rock at the car and the driver responded by ramming the crowd. I'm curious to see if the rock throwing happened or stays part of the "official" narrative. You still cannot go around running over people for throwing things at your car, but it makes a difference imho.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Not sure if srs, or didn't pay attention prior to his election.

There are enough good reasons to despise that son of a b*tch that there is no need to stoop to something as base as race.

 

[miguel]

A car was used.
And yet..... no calls for "common sense" car laws.

Dodge produces cars of peace! Just because one Dodge went astray doesn't mean they all will. Think of all the Dodges that didn't do anything bad to anyone this weekend.

My uncle knew a Dodge dealer, they are not all bad.

 

[jamil]

Nothing to do with these comments but did you happen to see above where that statue was placed there in the 1920s?

I did. Someone else posted that the park was commissioned by a private benefactor in 1917. So that would tend to confirm the time period. Is there another point you're looking for?

 

[jamil]

Dodge produces cars of peace! Just because one Dodge went astray doesn't mean they all will. Think of all the Dodges that didn't do anything bad to anyone this weekend.

My uncle knew a Dodge dealer, they are not all bad.

If one Dodge peddler is a White Supremacist, aren't they all?

 

[miguel]

If one Dodge peddler is a White Supremacist, aren't they all?

The Anne Frank Center appears to think so: https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/a-reminder-23/

 

[jamil]

The Anne Frank Center appears to think so: https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/a-reminder-23/

They have the same problem some people have here. They assume evil can't possibly reside in their tribe. Hate is a coin whch has two opposite sides. But call every dissenter "Nazi" and then their stereotyped hate is justified.

 

[Dddrees]

I did. Someone else posted that the park was commissioned by a private benefactor in 1917. So that would tend to confirm the time period. Is there another point you're looking for?

Yeah, I think my original comment is pertinent to the whole history and reason the statue might be there in the first place. More a resurgence in the ideology of White Supremacy and less so for just commemoration of the Civil War.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Yesterdays violence was preceded by this.


Torch-carrying white nationalists descend on UVA | New York Post

Not much good comes out of yelling racist remarks like this. Great setup to the next days events. So yeah, I have no problem with denouncing racists no matter who they are.

I don't doubt your sentiment here, but I would like to know where the outcry was when Obama failed to denounce large-scale violence, unless of course we are expected to accept the notion that it doesn't count if the violent individuals are black.

When you hear of see that slogan, do you honestly take it to mean that "Black" live matter, and everyone else's don't?

When they riot, demand reparations for real or perceived injustices done to people they never knew from people who never knew the real or imagined perpetrators, and scream up a lung when the audience sees blood on both sides and reminds them that all lives matter, yes, they have made it abundantly clear that in there reckoning non-black lives do NOT matter.

Here's Trump's statement:

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence, on many sides. On many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time."




Ironic that Neo Nazis and White Supremacists applaud their own condemnation. Their side is a side.

That these groups applaud that statement isn't a condemnation of Trump for saying it. It's a condemnation of their blindness to their role in the violence.

It is funny how given my sentiment and my obvious disgust for people like this that I and many others and many like them tend to agree on this point.

It makes perfect sense to me that the WN/WS crowd would applaud. After a very long time of being on the receiving end of a huge double-standard, I can easily understand that they would appreciate equally bad people being smacked equally hard.

No, they applauded it because they given equivalency of ideals. How better could I put it... if group of proponents for the legalization of child sex had a rally, and a group of dads showed up to confront them... and lets even say the dads started the fight. Who, at the end of the day would you sympathize with? The dads are "wrong" for starting the violence, certainly... but if the president weighed in, I would hope he would condemn the violence, while at the same time expressing how utterly distasteful the Child Sex guys beliefs are.

You are assigning a very false element of righteousness to one side here. A slugging match between NAMBLA and the Childhood Sensuality Circle would be a more honest comparison (tip of the hat to Wikipedia for supplying information on deviant organizations for my illustration since I had known of only one which had made the news).

 

[IndyDave1776]

Yeah, I think my original comment is pertinent to the whole history and reason the statue might be there in the first place. More a resurgence in the ideology of White Supremacy and less so for just commemoration of the Civil War.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps people were driven to WS on account of attempts to deny them their own heritage as opposed to the popular narrative that they use their heritage as a smokescreen for their evil WS ways?

 

[Dddrees]

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps people were driven to WS on account of attempts to deny them their own heritage as opposed to the popular narrative that they use their heritage as a smokescreen for their evil WS ways?

So somehow it's rational what they believe in?

 

[IndyDave1776]

So somehow it's rational what they believe in?

I am questioning the extent to which those participating actually believed in the first place. Did they support the KKK because they believe that 'others' are naturally inferior, or did they join up in response to getting repetitively kicked in the nuts?