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[jamil]

You asked for an example, and now you're moving the goalposts? And what does "people of all colors are in jail for drug crimes mean?" Surely, you not saying that for something to have an institutional effect, it must only effect those of a particular group. That's like saying "well, I took a white person to jail once on some bogus charges, so that means you can't call it racism when I tell you I locked up 100 Latino guys for the same reason."

"institutional effect"? I think that's a stretch. I mean, even my "planned parenthood" snark isn't institutional. I think you have a lot further to go to say statistics prove a causal relationship.

 

[jamil]

No, I'm saying that the effects of the war on drugs, is institutional racism. I'm not giving you an open road to run with, given the wide latitude your post indicates.

Prove it.

 

[Liberty1916]

How about Planned Parenthood and the specific attention paid to targeting minority communities?

I'm really not following what you mean (and I'm no fan of planned parenthood).

Are you saying because they operate in minority areas (and I don't know) and that causes them to kill more minority babies, that it's "white privilege"?

Completely confused here.

 

[Kutnupe14]

The absolutely amazing thing to me, is that despite being 13% of the population, and with those on/selling drugs, in jail, taking people's college admission slots, and those who protest (according to INGO) not having jobs... that there are still enough of us, unqualified black folks, to be stealing jobs from better qualified white people.

 

[printcraft]

Prove it.

Also, who is responsible for the institutionalization?
The legal system dealing with the laws that are in effect or the people that are breaking those laws?
They can't arrest you for NOT breaking the law, stop breaking the law.
Seems simple, apparently it's harder to resist for some reason.

 

[indiucky]

I'm not sure how far you'll get in trying to get anyone to admit to "white privilege". While I believe the concept is true, the name is dumb and confrontational.

 

[jamil]

I'll take your word on the PD programs. They're common across the country so it wasn't a stretch to assume your department does it. My company has "A commitment to hiring a diverse workforce".

About "white privilege". I have no idea what you mean. You have to define it, otherwise I'm guessing. I gave you specific examples of black privilege in hiring and college admission preferences. If you're asking does the same thing exist for whites, then no, I don't believe "white privilege" exists. If you have a different example, then share it.

White and black privileges exist but they're manifest differently.

 

[jamil]

Also, who is responsible for the institutionalization?
The legal system dealing with the laws that are in effect or the people that are breaking those laws?
They can't arrest you for NOT breaking the law, stop breaking the law.
Seems simple, apparently it's harder to resist for some reason.

As soon as Kut proves it he should file a law suit. There are laws against that kind of thing.

 

[jamil]

I'm really not following what you mean (and I'm no fan of planned parenthood).

Are you saying because they operate in minority areas (and I don't know) and that causes them to kill more minority babies, that it's "white privilege"?

Completely confused here.

I was poking Kut. C'mon. Let me at least have that.

 

[indiucky]

The absolutely amazing thing to me, is that despite being 13% of the population, and with those on/selling drugs, in jail, taking people's college admission slots, and those who protest (according to INGO) not having jobs... that there are still enough of us, unqualified black folks, to be stealing jobs from better qualified white people.

"Do you even know how hard it was for me to break in to jazz????"

"Or for the NBA to take me as a serious contender????"




The happiest place on INGO is wherever Kut and Jamil are debating...I am drawn like a moth to a flame....Plus Tlex, Alpo, and jetta will be there....Either way....It's a HOOT!!!!

I learn a lot....I feel like you all are coworkers and we are on a very long smoke/coffee break....And we all generally keep it civil and if we do poke someone it's a playful and deliberate poke.....

[video=youtube;lT3BbmGf9Ag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT3BbmGf9Ag[/video]

Thank you ALL for that....

 

[Liberty1916]

The absolutely amazing thing to me, is that despite being 13% of the population, and with those on/selling drugs, in jail, taking people's college admission slots, and those who protest (according to INGO) not having jobs... that there are still enough of us, unqualified black folks, to be stealing jobs from better qualified white people.

That's disingenuous. I thought you wanted to have a serious conversation rather than engage in hyperbole. Anecdotal, but I personally know someone who lost a promotion and was specifically told it was because they needed more blacks in management. And me personally, as a dept manager (15 years ago) had a black employee on final written warning for attendance issues and then the next offense, I went to HR for termination. The HR manager (Hispanic lady, not that it matters), told me "I'm just going to come right out and say this: You can't fire him because he's black". That makes several examples of job issues just in this thread. The difference is, we get on with our lives and don't cry "institutional racism" because we're not getting 100% of everything we want in life. Black privilege, it's real.

 

[Liberty1916]

White and black privileges exist but they're manifest differently.

What's and example of "white privilege"? I don't get what anyone means by that. There are zero laws or company policies anywhere in the country that I'm aware of that give preference to white people.

 

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[printcraft]

Q: Was it harder or easier for Eminem to be successful in the rap scene due to the fact that he is white?

Show your work.

 

[jamil]

C'mon. There is such a thing. Not everyone strives to not care about race. And there are conditioned biases that we all either fight or disregard.

To say we have hardships just like anyone doesn't address the privileges we do have. And I'm not suggesting we go full virtue-signaling SJW and start confessing our privileges. That's nonsense. But to say bias induced privilege doesn't exist, I don't think is accurate.

Just an oversimplified example of both, I can't go walking in the heart of the Lousiville's West end without people looking at me like I don't belong there. Same thing with a black man in my neighborhood. But that is only systemic in that it is a human feature, and it is common among humans of all races. Depending on personality types, we don't tend to trust people who look or act different. I ran into that a lot when I first moved to Missippi. When someone determined my culture was different from theirs, they treated me differently. And that equates to privilege to some extent. But as I assimilated their culture more over the 8 years I lived there, they accepted and trusted me more.

 

[jamil]

"Do you even know how hard it was for me to break in to jazz????"

"Or for the NBA to take me as a serious contender????"




The happiest place on INGO is wherever Kut and Jamil are debating...I am drawn like a moth to a flame....Plus Tlex, Alpo, and jetta will be there....Either way....It's a HOOT!!!!

I learn a lot....I feel like you all are coworkers and we are on a very long smoke/coffee break....And we all generally keep it civil and if we do poke someone it's a playful and deliberate poke.....

[video=youtube;lT3BbmGf9Ag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT3BbmGf9Ag[/video]

Thank you ALL for that....

I have to go pee. Might be awhile.

 

[jamil]

Q: Was it harder or easier for Eminem to be successful in the rap scene due to the fact that he is white?

Show your work.

What about Vanilla Ice who was chased out of the biz?

 

[Kutnupe14]

That's disingenuous. I thought you wanted to have a serious conversation rather than engage in hyperbole. Anecdotal, but I personally know someone who lost a promotion and was specifically told it was because they needed more blacks in management. And me personally, as a dept manager (15 years ago) had a black employee on final written warning for attendance issues and then the next offense, I went to HR for termination. The HR manager (Hispanic lady, not that it matters), told me "I'm just going to come right out and say this: You can't fire him because he's black". That makes several examples of job issues just in this thread. The difference is, we get on with our lives and don't cry "institutional racism" because we're not getting 100% of everything we want in life. Black privilege, it's real.

What I've noticed on ingo, is that business owners and HR departments are idiots. Lots of people seem lose a job or missed a promotion because of the colored person. And despite the legal risks that entails, the owner or whomever is running HR seems it reasonable to tell the person why they were fired or weren't promoted. It's almost as if persons were model workers, and certainly not dismissed based on performance.

In the personal case you mentioned, why couldn't you fire that colored person? Saying simply they are "black" doesn't pass the smell test. There is no provision that I am aware that requires you to keep employed a person who isn't showing up to work because they are colored. So what was the real reason that person was not let go?

 

[Liberty1916]

C'mon. There is such a thing. Not everyone strives to not care about race. And there are conditioned biases that we all either fight or disregard.

To say we have hardships just like anyone doesn't address the privileges we do have. And I'm not suggesting we go full virtue-signaling SJW and start confessing our privileges. That's nonsense. But to say bias induced privilege doesn't exist, I don't think is accurate.

Just an oversimplified example of both, I can't go walking in the heart of the Lousiville's West end without people looking at me like I don't belong there. Same thing with a black man in my neighborhood. But that is only systemic in that it is a human feature, and it is common among humans of all races. Depending on personality types, we don't tend to trust people who look or act different. I ran into that a lot when I first moved to Missippi. When someone determined my culture was different from theirs, they treated me differently. And that equates to privilege to some extent. But as I assimilated their culture more over the 8 years I lived there, they accepted and trusted me more.

So, "white privilege" is normal human biases that every group has? Why are we mentioning it then? Everyone has that same "privilege" around their own group. I'm more concerned with institutional privilege, which has real impact on people, not "strange looks" or "hurt feelings". In the institutional realm, white people have zero privilege.

 

[Kutnupe14]

What about Vanilla Ice who was chased out of the biz?

Vanilla Ice was fake, and sucked, that's why he was run out of the business. Em had ridiculous talent. And of course there's the Beastie Boys, who well pre-date both, and were accepted almost from the start.