Rangemaster Courses in Indiana, 2017

[Tom Givens]

Last call. I'll be leaving for Terre Haute Wednesday.

 

[VERT]

Last call. I'll be leaving for Terre Haute Wednesday.

Any pistol ammo required for the shotgun course or just our normal social requirement?

 

[Tom Givens]

Any pistol ammo required for the shotgun course or just our normal social requirement?

Just your normal EDC. There are no pistol transitions in a one day shotgun class. That would be in the 2 or 3 day format. Friday we'll just be dialed in on running the boomstick.

 

[Jackson]

I'm planning to knock the rust off my shotgun tonight and get it in to a serviceable condition. Then I'll scrounge around in the garage for enough ammo, figure out where my sling is, and we should be ready to go. Should be a fun day on Friday.

 

[Randy Harris]

Should be a fun day on Friday.

Absolutely! I did Tom's shotgun class a few years back in Memphis and it was a jolly good time. There is still time to sign up if any locals are on the fence about signing up....

 

[Coach]

Heading out to the range after school today. To get the bay and clubhouse in order for the weekend.

 

[GNRPowdeR]

Great weather + solid instruction + spending time with good people (some old faces / some new) = a fantastic way to spend a day!

Thank you everyone for contributing to the fun and learning!

 

[cedartop]

Just saw the Shotgun class pictures on FB. Looked like a good time. Hope you guys stay fairly dry this weekend, we are already up to multiple inches of rain here for the day.

 

[Coach]

The shotgun class went pretty well yesterday. The weather was awesome. The first day of the pistol class went very well today. The weather was awesome as well. The weather was awesome today as well. I did not sweat very much even wearing a cover garment. Tomorrow's weather is undecided at this point. I put the rain resistant cover garment in the truck for tomorrow. We shall see what happens.

 

[Coach]

Day 2 of the pistol class included weather that was labeled as sub-optimal. The teaching and learning was solid just as one would expect it to be in a Range Master course. The class performance was solid. I think it was fair to say that learning occurred and that the those in attendance are better prepared for the world that they live. Those that did not attend missed out on a great opportunity.

 

[IsThatLegal?]

Day 2 of the pistol class included weather that was labeled as sub-optimal. The teaching and learning was solid just as one would expect it to be in a Range Master course. The class performance was solid. I think it was fair to say that learning occurred and that the those in attendance are better prepared for the world that they live. Those that did not attend missed out on a great opportunity.

Pistol class was great. Learned a lot on multiple levels. Thanks to Coach for putting this together and thanks to Tom for sharing his knowledge. I think everyone had improved skill set and knowledge base despite the challenging weather on day 2. And I picked up on a few new good sound bites from Tom.

 

[Indyal]

I thought very highly of this course. I had not done any training in a while and this refreshed some of the skills I thought I had ( or maybe never really had ) , corrected some bad technique, and introduced some new activities, particularly some that introduced an element of stress. The facilities were good. I also give my thanks to the hosts and to Tom, Lynn, and Jeff.

 

[Coach]

Shotgun class thoughts:
This was my third shotgun training installment. These are just somewhat random thoughts and take away points that I have. Feel free to disagree or not.

1). Shotguns are like that guy you know in high school or college that does not look like a physical specimen but just knocks the dog **** out of people in a fight. The power is what makes this thing hang around.

2). With the shotgun like everything else all that matters is the fundamentals. (words to live by right there)

3). When push comes to shove a nice pump action shotgun in 12 guage is a handy thing to have in a home defense/business defense situation.

4). Federal 00 buckshot with Flitecontrol wad is just about as cool as 5 gallon buckets, pockets, baling wire and duct tape. The Hornady Versa Tite is not nearly as good as Federal in my pump gun.

5). Zero malfunctions for the shotgun. 1 malfunction for the nut driving the gun. If I do my part the gun will do its part.

6). Boom, chunk, chunk will get you there.

7). I am re-arranging the sleeping quarters and moving the 12 guage into the equation. Simply silly to not do so.

8). Going to make it a priority to shoot the shotgun 2-3 times each year in a defensive context.

9). Would like to get a shotgun match or competition session in once per year in addition to the other shotgun work.

10). The shotgun is undervalued for personal protection.

 

[Jackson]

Alright, here's something I should have asked in class but didn't think of until after...

This is in regard to low ready vs high ready. I need to go back to my notes, buy from what I remember when ready positions were discussed, the low ready was said to be better in closer quarters, and times to shot were noted to be faster. It was also said to be better for retention. In the context of home defense, this seems to favor the low ready. However, all the drills were shot from the high ready. What are the advantages of the high ready in the home defense context? Why wasnt the low ready used in any of the class exercises?

 

[VERT]

Alright, here's something I should have asked in class but didn't think of until after...

This is in regard to low ready vs high ready. I need to go back to my notes, buy from what I remember when ready positions were discussed, the low ready was said to be better in closer quarters, and times to shot were noted to be faster. It was also said to be better for retention. In the context of home defense, this seems to favor the low ready. However, all the drills were shot from the high ready. What are the advantages of the high ready in the home defense context? Why wasnt the low ready used in any of the class exercises?

Powder and I discussed exactly this same topic on the drive home. We were surprised that the low ready was not part of the shooting exercises. We figured maybe because people all ready practice these types of drills with the carbine and handgun? Where high ready is somewhat unique to shotgun work.

 

[Tom Givens]

High Ready requires a lot more work to perfect, as you have to mount the gun. The mount is much the same as drawing the pistol. If the gun is not mounted correctly, everything that comes after is screwed up.

Once you have High Ready down, Low Ready is a breeze, as the gun is already mounted. Thus, class time is spent on High Ready.

Also, Low Ready is used when searching, but if you grab the gun and mount it, that is much the same as mounting from High Ready.

 

[rhino]

Q: Is the high ready you are all discussing having the muzzle elevated and the butt of the stock low (like by your belt), then when you need to shoot, you rotate the gun so that the stock lands in your shoulder pocket as the muzzle comes drops onto the target?

 

[cedartop]

Q: Is the high ready you are all discussing having the muzzle elevated and the butt of the stock low (like by your belt), then when you need to shoot, you rotate the gun so that the stock lands in your shoulder pocket as the muzzle comes drops onto the target?

If you would have been in the class, you would know the answer.

 

[rhino]

If you would have been in the class, you would know the answer.

Touche'.

And you'd be visiting me in the hospital because I couldn't walk after the first couple of hours.

 

[Tom Givens]

Rhino- Yes. The muzzle stays relatively stationary. The butt comes up to the shoulder. The head stays up, and you bring your gun to your face, not your head down to the gun. There are more details, hence the amount of time we spend working on it.

This was a one day class. There is a limit to new skills practiced in a one day class. A two day class would include more variations.