Coyote Snares

[BigBoxaJunk]

I would make the same argument about some neighbors!

I think you've hit the proverbial nail on the head.

 

[Richwon4]

So she finally came to her senses...if not maybe someone should get her either some counseling or a 243...

 

[ru44mag]

Do your neighbors have to ask you not to commit other crimes, too?

35-46-3-12

Really? A single feral cat on average kills 300 small animals per year. They do not belong in the woods, or on my property. They kill my rabbits. If I mistake a neighbors cat for a feral cat, too bad. The law states if a person knowingly kills a domestic animal without the owners permission. So I have not broken any laws. I apologize if I offended your delicate sense of love of furry critters. Most hunters for years have felt a strong responsibility to eliminate feral cats due to the huge amount of destruction they have on small game. In my opinion, any cat running free, out in the country, with no collar, is a feral cat.

 

[Michigan Slim]

You betch ya! Where I hunt the family gets a dozen cats a year dumped of. They spay and neuter what they can catch. The coyotes and I get the rest. Popped one carrying a bluebird last year.

 

[bwframe]

...Most hunters for years have felt a strong responsibility to eliminate feral cats due to the huge amount of destruction they have on small game. In my opinion, any cat running free, out in the country, with no collar, is a feral cat.

Years ago, a hunter from the time he could walk told me ANY cat or dog he sees while in the stand gets shot.

I mentioned to him about his dogs. He said, same for them, "they are not supposed to be there."

 

[ru44mag]

You betch ya! Where I hunt the family gets a dozen cats a year dumped of. They spay and neuter what they can catch. The coyotes and I get the rest. Popped one carrying a bluebird last year.

Cats kill for pleasure. And they are very good at it. They rarely eat what they kill. The fact that cats are such a large part of coyotes diet makes me laugh. It's like the ultimate in woodland karma. I jumped on this thread hoping for tips on coyote snares. It didn't turn out the way I thought.

 

[ru44mag]

Years ago, a hunter from the time he could walk told me ANY cat or dog he sees while in the stand gets shot.

I mentioned to him about his dogs. He said, same for them, "they are not supposed to be there."

I have warned neighbors about letting their dogs run loose, but I just can't shoot a dog unless there is very good reason. There have been many times that I sure wanted to. One time I was sitting in my deer stand. I heard dogs barking a few hundred yards off, then they came running right down the trail the deer use!!! I still didn't shoot them. When I hunted public land, the sound of Beagles coming my way actually got me excited, thinking they might run a deer my way.

 

[bwframe]

I have warned neighbors about letting their dogs run loose, but I just can't shoot a dog unless there is very good reason. There have been many times that I sure wanted to. One time I was sitting in my deer stand. I heard dogs barking a few hundred yards off, then they came running right down the trail the deer use!!! I still didn't shoot them. When I hunted public land, the sound of Beagles coming my way actually got me excited, thinking they might run a deer my way.

My conversation came up with my buddy when we were hunting JPG. I asked him if he seen the dogs that ran by me in my stand. He said yeah, but he didn't get a shot at them.

I'm with you, I'd have trouble with shooting a domestic pet that isn't some sort of threat to me. Rough to punish a pet for its irresponsible owner.

 

[IndyDave1776]

My conversation came up with my buddy when we were hunting JPG. I asked him if he seen the dogs that ran by me in my stand. He said yeah, but he didn't get a shot at them.

I'm with you, I'd have trouble with shooting a domestic pet that isn't some sort of threat to me. Rough to punish a pet for its irresponsible owner.

I suppose you could follow the pet home and shoot the owner.

 

[ru44mag]

I suppose you could follow the pet home and shoot the owner.

Maybe CampingJosh can give you the number for that one.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Maybe CampingJosh can give you the number for that one.

 

[CampingJosh]

If I mistake a neighbors cat for a feral cat, too bad. The law states if a person knowingly kills a domestic animal without the owners permission. So I have not broken any laws.

Too bad? Too bad that you chose to forfeit your civil rights over a cat.

You are mistaken about the law, and you are bragging in a public forum about breaking it. If you intentionally kill a domestic animal, you have committed a felony. You don't have to know in advance that it was a domestic animal for this still to be a felony.

If not plainly stupid, it's at the very least bad form to openly encourage the commission of felonies. And it's surely against INGO's terms of service.

 

[phylodog]

Too bad? Too bad that you chose to forfeit your civil rights over a cat.

You are mistaken about the law, and you are bragging in a public forum about breaking it. If you intentionally kill a domestic animal, you have committed a felony. You don't have to know in advance that it was a domestic animal for this still to be a felony.

If not plainly stupid, it's at the very least bad form to openly encourage the commission of felonies. And it's surely against INGO's terms of service.

I don't really have a dog (or cat as it were) in this fight but I don't believe a feral cat would be covered under the laws against killing domestic animals.

IC 35-46-3-12Torture or mutilation of a vertebrate animal; killing a domestic animal
Sec. 12. (a) This section does not apply to a person who euthanizes an injured, a sick, a homeless, or an unwanted domestic animal if:
(1) the person is employed by a humane society, an animal control agency, or a governmental entity operating an animal shelter or other animal impounding facility; and
(2) the person euthanizes the domestic animal in accordance with guidelines adopted by the humane society, animal control agency, or governmental entity operating the animal shelter or other animal impounding facility.
(b) A person who knowingly or intentionally beats a vertebrate animal commits cruelty to an animal, a Class A misdemeanor. However, the offense is a Level 6 felony if:
(1) the person has a previous, unrelated conviction under this section; or
(2) the person committed the offense with the intent to threaten, intimidate, coerce, harass, or terrorize a family or household member.
(c) A person who knowingly or intentionally tortures or mutilates a vertebrate animal commits torturing or mutilating a vertebrate animal, a Level 6 felony.
(d) As used in this subsection, "domestic animal" means an animal that is not wild. The term is limited to:
(1) cattle, calves, horses, mules, swine, sheep, goats, dogs, cats, poultry, ostriches, rhea, and emus; and
(2) an animal of the bovine, equine, ovine, caprine, porcine, canine, feline, camelid, cervidae, or bison species.
A person who knowingly or intentionally kills a domestic animal without the consent of the owner of the domestic animal commits killing a domestic animal, a Level 6 felony.
(e) It is a defense to a prosecution under this section that the accused person:
(1) reasonably believes the conduct was necessary to:
(A) prevent injury to the accused person or another person;
(B) protect the property of the accused person from destruction or substantial damage; or
(C) prevent a seriously injured vertebrate animal from prolonged suffering; or
(2) engaged in a reasonable and recognized act of training, handling, or disciplining the vertebrate animal.
(f) When a court imposes a sentence or enters a dispositional decree under this section, the court:
(1) shall consider requiring:
(A) a person convicted of an offense under this section; or
(B) a child adjudicated a delinquent child for committing an act that would be a crime under this section if committed by an adult;
to receive psychological, behavioral, or other counseling as a part of the sentence or dispositional decree; and
(2) may order an individual described in subdivision (1) to receive psychological, behavioral, or other counseling as a part of the sentence or dispositional decree.
As added by P.L.193-1987, SEC.15. Amended by P.L.41-1998, SEC.2; P.L.132-2002, SEC.1; P.L.7-2007, SEC.1; P.L.171-2007, SEC.10; P.L.111-2009, SEC.14; P.L.158-2013, SEC.566.

I would not interpret this to mean that any and all felines outside of the native bobcat are protected under the law due to classification as domestic animals. For the record we have three cats and I love em but I would not allow them to run wild and I respect the rights of property owners to manage their lands in accordance with the law.

 

[CampingJosh]

I don't really have a dog (or cat as it were) in this fight but I don't believe a feral cat would be covered under the laws against killing domestic animals.

I agree that a feral cat isn't covered. But the neighbors' pet cat definitely is covered, even if you don't know that the cat is a pet.

If a person intentionally kills a cat, and that cat is in fact a domestic animal, the killing of that cat is a felony. It doesn't matter if the person knew it was a domestic animal.

For the record we have three cats and I love em but I would not allow them to run wild and I respect the rights of property owners to manage their lands in accordance with the law.

For the record, I don't have any cats. I don't like them. I also respect the rights of property owners. "In accordance with the law" means that it's still illegal to shoot the neighbor's pet even if it is on your land. Even if it's messing up your hunting.

 

[voidsherpa]

I agree that a feral cat isn't covered. But the neighbors' pet cat definitely is covered, even if you don't know that the cat is a pet.

If a person intentionally kills a cat, and that cat is in fact a domestic animal, the killing of that cat is a felony. It doesn't matter if the person knew it was a domestic animal.

False, jellybean cremates the same as Feral Cat 43.

 

[OutdoorDad]

Dog recovering from serious coyote trap injury https://www.theindychannel.com/news...og-recovering-from-serious-coyote-trap-injury

What on earth was going on with this one???

 

[Rookie]

I agree that a feral cat isn't covered. But the neighbors' pet cat definitely is covered, even if you don't know that the cat is a pet.

If a person intentionally kills a cat, and that cat is in fact a domestic animal, the killing of that cat is a felony. It doesn't matter if the person knew it was a domestic animal.



For the record, I don't have any cats. I don't like them. I also respect the rights of property owners. "In accordance with the law" means that it's still illegal to shoot the neighbor's pet even if it is on your land. Even if it's messing up your hunting.

I don't think you're interpreting that correctly.

 

[phylodog]

I agree that a feral cat isn't covered. But the neighbors' pet cat definitely is covered, even if you don't know that the cat is a pet.

If a person intentionally kills a cat, and that cat is in fact a domestic animal, the killing of that cat is a felony. It doesn't matter if the person knew it was a domestic animal.

I highlighted and increased the font size of the word Knowingly to illustrate this point. If a neighbor sends him a photo of their cat which has gone missing and he shoots the cat knowing it was theirs he would have broken then law. Otherwise it would be near impossible to establish culpability otherwise.

 

[CampingJosh]

"Knowingly" is an adverb; it modifies the verb "kills." It means that a person is not responsible if the killing happened when the person didn't know, such as with the snare.
That would be a super weird way to word a sentence to have "knowingly" modify "domestic."

 

[phylodog]

The person must knowingly kill a domestic animal. A feral cat is not a domestic animal. A non native feline species walking through his property which he does not know or recognize as his neighbors pet is fair game under the eyes of the law.