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Odd statement from police
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Clay Pigeon
Shooter
Why would you think there wouldn't be a civil suit... If this happened to you would you not file suit???
Clay Pigeon
Shooter
I would bet I had a good grasp of the rules before I was 8 years old....
Clay Pigeon
Shooter
Tell me, before you tap out again.
If this was done in a home by non LEO's and a man shot his sister how do you think this would go down?
Next how would it be if a non LEO had done this to a LEO that was leaving a call how would it have gone down?
Lastly, how would it go down if LEO had done this to a non LEO say the landlord that unlocked the door. How would it have gone down?
Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
That's an easy one. I have those now and have had in the past, a non-badge would be prosecuted for Criminal Recklessness with a Deadly Weapon. When I talked to them, they would rock on their heels and grab their lapels and tell me how they have "zero tolerance" for irresponsible behavior with guns. "You need to be highly trained, like the police". That statement still rings in my ears.
It is not LPD's impassioned defense of their officer that I object to. It is the double standard and slimy hypocrisy that is so devastating here.
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Clay Pigeon
Shooter
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Kirk Freeman again.
Thank you....
Thank you....
I watched the body cam for the first time yesterday. I also, upon first watching it, initially thought the officer following her out the door shot her. Then I watched it again where you can see the round actually coming through the door and realized it was the other guy behind the door. His back seemed to be to the door when the other two officers were exiting so I was trying to figure out how he ended up firing a round upward like that behind him...
Just from a firearms training perspective I would love to know exactly what happened there. Thank God the round didn't hit her in the head...
Just from a firearms training perspective I would love to know exactly what happened there. Thank God the round didn't hit her in the head...
What's your point? Are you suggesting that your opinion on the matter would be different? Mine wouldn't. I'm far from being someone who believes police officers can do no wrong. Quite the contrary, I'm someone who knows good and well that police officers are human beings and not the robots many expect them to be.
Would someone else have been prosecuted in this situation? I can't answer that. Should they be? In my opinion not by a long shot, there seem to be a few who think they know what actually happened, proof beyond a reasonable doubt isn't here.
If you're pointing out that there is a double standard I agree with you. Where I'm sure we'll take different turns on the topic is whether or not there should be.
In all fairness although it pains me to say it, I see lots of idiot civilians (not calling these cops idiots) accidentally shooting themselves and each other a lot more than cops seem to do. All the damn time. True idiots. Then other idiots leave their guns where their kids can get them (i don't care if you trust them or not don't do it) and we all know how that ends. Many, MANY, of those bonafide IDIOTS do not go to jail.
This was in response to clay pigeons post that phylodog quoted.
Hey I used to jump the gun in judgement, more than I should have on cops and their job. I'm not saying I still may not sometimes but I try to take a deep breath and think before I cast a stone about these things. I'm not a cop and I do not know their job or the stresses of it, but it stresses me the **** out just going to Walmart, so I can only imagine the **** show they see every damn day! I'm greatful, always have been, that they keep the worst of society at bay, and keep our country as safe as possible and the best in the world. This is due to our police. Thank them when you see one.
I know the stresses of having people try to kill you (Army) and having live weapons every day around your brothers and innocent civilians too and some posing as innocent and wanting to kill you. Its stressful and mistakes are made in high stress environments and no matter how good you are and well trained, sorry you aren't going to perform as well as you do sitting at home in that lazyboy chair. That's a fact jack.
These guys could show up to a vahicle accident and have some lunatic ride bu on a bicycle and gun them down. Or pull over someone for a minor traffic incident and get shot by them. Or while trying to save their life. Cut these brave people some slack. And if you think I'm trying to suck up, youd be damn wrong. I dont think like that. I'm just trying to be fair to a group of humans the same way I'd want them to be to me AMD in 99% of my very few tame interactions with them they have always been nothing short of fair and professional. That's a better percentage than I've had dealing with average civilians. That's better service than you get at a boobie bar!
I'd help them out in a heartbeat if they ever needed it. I'm about sick and tired of the way our cops are being viewed and treated in this country now. What the hell is wrong with people?
This was in response to clay pigeons post that phylodog quoted.
Hey I used to jump the gun in judgement, more than I should have on cops and their job. I'm not saying I still may not sometimes but I try to take a deep breath and think before I cast a stone about these things. I'm not a cop and I do not know their job or the stresses of it, but it stresses me the **** out just going to Walmart, so I can only imagine the **** show they see every damn day! I'm greatful, always have been, that they keep the worst of society at bay, and keep our country as safe as possible and the best in the world. This is due to our police. Thank them when you see one.
I know the stresses of having people try to kill you (Army) and having live weapons every day around your brothers and innocent civilians too and some posing as innocent and wanting to kill you. Its stressful and mistakes are made in high stress environments and no matter how good you are and well trained, sorry you aren't going to perform as well as you do sitting at home in that lazyboy chair. That's a fact jack.
These guys could show up to a vahicle accident and have some lunatic ride bu on a bicycle and gun them down. Or pull over someone for a minor traffic incident and get shot by them. Or while trying to save their life. Cut these brave people some slack. And if you think I'm trying to suck up, youd be damn wrong. I dont think like that. I'm just trying to be fair to a group of humans the same way I'd want them to be to me AMD in 99% of my very few tame interactions with them they have always been nothing short of fair and professional. That's a better percentage than I've had dealing with average civilians. That's better service than you get at a boobie bar!
I'd help them out in a heartbeat if they ever needed it. I'm about sick and tired of the way our cops are being viewed and treated in this country now. What the hell is wrong with people?
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I'm guessing there will be no criminal prosecution, but that there will likely be a civil suit (INGO lawyers correct me if I am wrong, but just thinking there will be due to insurance companies, etc being involved that often they will try and recoup costs from responsible parties, etc, even if the person who was shot doesn't necessarily want to sue).
And I believe that the burden of proof is different in a civil suit, so there likely would be some factor of blame/responsibility/negligence (whatever the proper legal term is) assigned.
That said, I'm not sure how this works when there may or may not be a union involved, along with potential workman's comp and other insurance companies, etc involved.
I'm also guessing (not at the individual officer level) but at the administration level that there is some concern of opening up liability (and though it would be better IMO to be transparent and less trying to shield liability, that is driven in some aspects by fear of opening up a Pandora's box of liability).
Understood, just wasn't sure if the various insurance companies involved would force a suit for subrogation purposes. Wasn't sure if this worked differently when potentially Unions, and workman's comp, as well as health insurance, etc were involved, along with other potential involvements.
In any case, hope she recovers fully and quickly.
Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
My speculation as well. If she does not resign from LPD, there is extremely small chance of civil litigation.
Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
The problem is that their Chief was not cutting us any slack in the newspaper. People remember that kind of lecture.
