Could you have stopped the evil?

[Brad69]

Uh I have never had time to think about breathing, I have witnessed people hyperventilating and freaking out on the regular though. We tried the breathing stuff during battle march and shoot’s it seems to work if you had the brainpower to apply it.

I like BBI suffer from tunnel vision and auditory exclusion it’s my personal quite time!
It’s kinda strange to be able to hear your radio or the buffer cycling as clear as day and not hear the muzzle blast?
During high pressure training I can get tunnel vision, I just focus on the threat my SA suffers from it.
If you get the shakes after it’s awesome because it means you lived!

BTW
If you ever witnessed BBI shoot on the move he is like a deadly ballerina!

 

[Coach]

The shooting in Texas. Where was "Carry Nation"?

 

[Twangbanger]

The shooting in Texas. Where was "Carry Nation"?

Where indeed? It wasn't a "gun free zone." It was a Wal Mart. Smack in the middle of a drug route from the south.

 

[bwframe]

The same Texas town that elected Beto to the House. Texas ain't what it once was.

 

[KellyinAvon]

The same Texas town that elected Beto to the House. Texas ain't what it once was.

^^This!!^^

 

[churchmouse]

The same Texas town that elected Beto to the House. Texas ain't what it once was.

And again I point to the electorate. We have allowed all this madness to take root.

 

[Amishman44]

Somber times like this, after the El Paso active shooter, brings me pause. What could I have done to stop the carnage?
If circumstances were right, could you have put effective stopping rounds on a rifle wielding active shooter?
If you were alone, without family or friends to safely evacuate and had cover, could you have stopped the active shooter from 50 yards with your EDC?
Obviously, the rifle in your trunk would be a better tool, but all you have is your EDC. Could you put effective rounds on the shooter to stop them from further shooting?
We're not talking dangerous to yourself and others spray and pray or foolish "hero" running into the gunfire. We're talking about accurate marksmanship that you have practiced/trained at and can execute with more than 80% of your shots.
Could you make those shots?

In before "it depends." (And Jerry Miculek can do it).
But seriously, have you grouped a striker-fired handgun at 50 yards? If he's within range of you...you're within range of him. But he has a rifle. And is likely not stationary.
I can do it one-handed at 50 yards...but I do not carry my bullseye gun. And a slide-mounted optic, unfortunately, does not make my carry gun into a bullseye gun.

At 50 yards...from cover...my EDC has that ability.

 

[Amishman44]

This makes perfect sense. The noise a short barreled 5.56 makes is deafening.

My work gun is a 10.5” AR and man is it blasty!

I built my wife a 10.5" AR pistol...it's a hoot-2-shoot, but it is quite loud!

 

[CindyE]

Where indeed? It wasn't a "gun free zone." It was a Wal Mart. Smack in the middle of a drug route from the south.

There was an interview with a man that had been shopping nearby, he was military and carrying. He said he got his gun out and got ready to go over to the Walmart. I was already thinking that was a bad idea, and sure enough as he walked toward the Walmart, he was stopped by police who thought he was one of the shooters, because they saw the gun. That could have ended badly for him. I wonder what the correct way to do that would be?

 

[churchmouse]

There was an interview with a man that had been shopping nearby, he was military and carrying. He said he got his gun out and got ready to go over to the Walmart. I was already thinking that was a bad idea, and sure enough as he walked toward the Walmart, he was stopped by police who thought he was one of the shooters, because they saw the gun. That could have ended badly for him. I wonder what the correct way to do that would be?

Stay grey as you get closer. But if the LEO were there then WTF...???

 

[DRob]

Everybody who has experienced a real adrenaline dump, raise your hand. If you've never had the experience, you have no clue!

 

[churchmouse]

Everybody who has experienced a real adrenaline dump, raise your hand. If you've never had the experience, you have no clue!

Hands up. Both of them.

 

[Vigilant]

Everybody who has experienced a real adrenaline dump, raise your hand. If you've never had the experience, you have no clue!

 

[chezuki]

"50 yards was just a reference point for accuracy people"
It is not the point at which I thought we should engage. Why is every one stuck at 50 yards. Maybe we can get past this.

Probably because that’s the question the OP asked.

Somber times like this, after the El Paso active shooter, brings me pause. What could I have done to stop the carnage?

If circumstances were right, could you have put effective stopping rounds on a rifle wielding active shooter?

If you were alone, without family or friends to safely evacuate and had cover, could you have stopped the active shooter from 50 yards with your EDC?

Obviously, the rifle in your trunk would be a better tool, but all you have is your EDC. Could you put effective rounds on the shooter to stop them from further shooting?

We're not talking dangerous to yourself and others spray and pray or foolish "hero" running into the gunfire. We're talking about accurate marksmanship that you have practiced/trained at and can execute with more than 80% of your shots.

Could you make those shots?

 

[churchmouse]

Probably because that’s the question the OP asked.

I already admitted to this.....

 

[ghuns]

I don't know.

But it's my sincerest hope that I, nor any of you, EVER have to find out.

 

[bwframe]

There was an interview with a man that had been shopping nearby, he was military and carrying. He said he got his gun out and got ready to go over to the Walmart. I was already thinking that was a bad idea, and sure enough as he walked toward the Walmart, he was stopped by police who thought he was one of the shooters, because they saw the gun. That could have ended badly for him. I wonder what the correct way to do that would be?

This points out a couple of things:

1. The details are not out on this whole story. Like Parkland, if there are details that don't fit the anti-gun media narrative, they will be buried. Not to say one report condemns the cops for standing by while people died, as the Parkland cops did.

2. Even if any of us who carry all the time were in an active shooter situation and totally prepared, it would be very rare that we were precisely positioned to do something to stop the shooter.

 

[edporch]

I would envision that in a crowd of people in Indiana, I'd likely not be the only one carrying.
So there's a good chance the shooter would have more than one person shooting back at them, taking shots that avoid the innocent.

Even if those shooting back with concealed handguns were too far away to accurately hit the shooter, it might be enough for the shooter to flee or better yet, take cover until the police get there.

The concealed carriers shooting back are not likely to be carrying very many rounds compared to the shooter.
For example, I often don't have more than 12-15 rounds on me when I go into a store.
So they need to be spread out enough so I don't run out.

Lastly, when I see the police show up, I would put away my pistol so they don't shoot me.

 

[Denny347]

I would envision that in a crowd of people in Indiana, I'd likely not be the only one carrying.
So there's a good chance the shooter would have more than one person shooting back at them, taking shots that avoid the innocent.

I'm a lot more jaded in my World view. Maybe I've grown that way over my years on the street. Even with MANY pistol carriers, I just don't think you will see more than one engaging him/her...maybe not even one. Even with the huge number of LTCH holders in Indiana, only a small percentage train with them. Of those that train, only a small percentage train for combat shooting/fighting under stress. Of those who do ALL of that, some STILL cannot get themselves to engage a lethal threat when required. To leave their cover and place themselves into direct harm to engage a target with the likelihood of taking hits yourself. I'm a severe skeptic I suppose.

 

[Scuba591]

Over here also