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  • ChristianPatriot

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    In retrospect, there may have been a method to Pelosi’s madness. Her tantrum put her front page.

    I liken it to that one guy going off on his “let my people go” speech. If you’re on the right, you probably loved it. Left, you think he’s a psychopath. Same with Pelosi. So she ripped up a speech. Big whoop. I couldn’t care less but I’m sure leftists will build her a shrine.
     
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    Doug

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    Do you suppose she was praying for the President when she ripped up his speech?
    How about when she refused to accept the paperwork of the Senate's verdict?
     

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    Do you suppose she was praying for the President when she ripped up his speech?
    How about when she refused to accept the paperwork of the Senate's verdict?
    Sure looked like some hatred going on to me.
     

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    Nancy does a press conference every Thursday afternoon. I'm sure you remember this little tidbit the day before Pelosi released the impeachment to the senate?

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    Sometimes just the highlights make the news, sometimes it's just monitored for news, sometimes they cover at least part of it live.

    I'd bet all the stations will be covering tomorrow's presser live?
     

    JAL

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    Both she and Schumer announced that they wouldn't accept an acquittal a few days ago. Maybe last Friday I think? Basically as soon as the witness/no witness portion ended. But hey, Trump's the obstructionist. Umm... okay? :dunno:
    The "obstruction" impeachment article was as phony as a three dollar bill. Nobody is compelled to comply with an illegal or otherwise substantively defective subpoena, or to one with which they have a legitimate objection. Courts don't issue subpoenas, lawyers do. They're not issued through a court, they're issued to the individual or their attorney of record from whom testimony, deposition or document production is being demanded. The court doesn't even know about it. Many attorneys are notorious for abusing subpoenas in their number and scope, forcing recipients to raise objections and refuse them. The WH basis for refusal wasn't some untested legal theory, it was based on a longstanding SCOTUS decision regarding the authority of Congress to issue those subpoenas and the conditions under which they can do so. Even if legally issued, the Executive Branch is entitled to Executive Privilege. Every president in the past 240 years since Washington has exercised this right. That privilege isn't absolute. Consequently, the ultimate remedy is to take it to the Federal Courts for a judicial decision as to whether Executive Privilege is applicable, and if so, to what extent it's applicable. The most recent SCOTUS decision regarding Executive Privilege was United States v. Nixon (1974), and it's not the extant decision itself regarding the tapes, it's the extensive discussion in the majority opinion regarding Executive Privilege. Rushing to impeachment over the refusal of subpoenas claiming "Obstruction of Congress" was yet another temper tantrum, filled with double-speak, smoke, mirrors, a whirling bag of dried chicken bones and readings from a book of incantations. Why? Because they wanted to pass the impeachment articles before Christmas (and then sit on them for over 30 days?). If a POTUS were impeached every time he refused Congressional subpoenas, Obama would have been impeached about two dozen times, nearly all of which was about the Fast and Furious scandalous debacle. The proper remedy Congress pursued during his administration when negotiation (aka accommodation) failed was in the Federal Courts, including exhausting appeals.

    Oh, but wait, they'd still be pursuing properly authorized and non-defective reissued subpoenas for months to obtain judicial rulings on Executive Privilege claims and it would be tied up in litigation through the primaries, party conventions and election. The argument of exigency never trumps due process. The POTUS would prevail with a good number of them. John Bolton, who was never subpoenaed, would be one of them. Bolton doesn't get to decide whether he testifies or gives a deposition. The POTUS does under Executive Privilege. If Bolton defies that, and attempts to anyway, he goes directly to jail for disobeying an Executive Order. In Bolton's case, his position in the administration clearly falls under the 1974 SCOTUS discussion regarding legitimate Executive Privilege claims. Doesn't matter if they're currently working for the federal government or not. These are things the general public doesn't know about or understand - not the least of which is the right to object to subpoenas to begin with. There's a gross misconception in the general public that any and all subpoenas received must be complied with within their deadlines on penalty of criminal charges and jail. I have, in fact, objected to numerous subpoenas in the past, and prevailed in getting them quashed. It's not as if the Executive Branch didn't notify the two House committee of their refusals. They did, in writing, from the DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel, outlining in detail their justification for refusing them. They (the House Committees) voluntarily withdrew a number of them. These are things Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, and Schumer aren't telling anyone. If the Executive Branch didn't have Executive Privilege, Congress would own every file cabinet in the Executive Branch overnight, and they're not entitled to for a variety of reasons. Someone issues you a subpoena, you object to it, they willingly withdraw it, and want to claim you're obstructing them? Poppycock.

    John
     
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    jamil

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    You're correct. I should have specified that it wasn't in a flattering light to anyone with some semblance of sanity.
    It doesn’t really matter that her actions seemed heroic to her side. They were never going to be amenable to Republicans. To the people to the right of bat**** crazy it makes her look petulant.
     

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    Does this seriously surprise anyone that this was planned?

    I watched it live and she clearly picked up the papers at the end and looked straight into the camera in the center of the room as she got ready to tear them, but they actually cut away to a different angle for 2-3 seconds. Just before the cut, she paused. Then when they went back to that camera shot a couple of seconds later she ripped them in an exaggerated motion.

    She knows the left wing of the party wants her head for the way impeachment went down, even though they painted her into the corner she found herself in. This was her attempt to try and regain some street cred. It would have meant nothing if no one had seen it.

    She took a lesson from Trump and played it up for the cameras.
    Definitely that was a signal to her own side. It doesn’t seem well thought out. They do internal polling all the time. She has to understand that Democrats are losing the middle. Whatever signaling she has to do to appease the bat**** crazies to keep the gavel has to strike a balance. Democrats have had a bad week and there’s still days left for it to get worse.
     

    Dr.Midnight

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    Definitely that was a signal to her own side. It doesn’t seem well thought out. They do internal polling all the time. She has to understand that Democrats are losing the middle. Whatever signaling she has to do to appease the bat**** crazies to keep the gavel has to strike a balance. Democrats have had a bad 2020 and there’s still months left for it to get worse.

    Tweaked ever so slightly.
     

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    Well I knew it couldn't be true if I had not seen it on INGO yet. Would have been funny if true.

    The official signed copy Pelosi was given was for entry into the House record and she knew it. The copy given to the VP (who is also President of the Senate) was for the Senate record. One of the House Republican Congressmen got another official, signed copy from the White House and entered it into the House record. Albeit not illegal (violation of US Statutes), Pelosi destroying it was a blatant violation of existing House Rules. This makes her actions all that much more insulting.

    There is a standard for social and political decorum that Pelosi and others in the House (e.g. Waters, Wilson, AOC, Omar, Pressley and Tlaib) have completely jettisoned to pursue Scorched Earth Politics. The result is raging hatred, unflinching and unyielding retrenchment, zero compromise, and nothing gets accomplished. With regard to the latter four, aka "The Squad", one of their objectives is complete governmental gridlock. They aren't "Democrats", they're Democratic Socialists. With Senator Bernie Sanders as figurehead on their bowsprit, they're goal is co-opting the Democratic Party, which would very radically change it. If you want to upend and overturn politics and a political system, the most common strategy is to gridlock it, and generate so much chaos within it that it can no longer function with any semblance of effectiveness.

    Watch for a motion to censure Pelosi, probably next week, and the authors will force a vote on it - although the likelihood of it passing is zero.

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    The official signed copy Pelosi was given was for entry into the House record and she knew it. The copy given to the VP (who is also President of the Senate) was for the Senate record. One of the House Republican Congressmen got another official, signed copy from the White House and entered it into the House record. Albeit not illegal (violation of US Statutes), Pelosi destroying it was a blatant violation of existing House Rules. This makes her actions all that much more insulting.

    There is a standard for social and political decorum that Pelosi and others in the House (e.g. Waters, Wilson, AOC, Omar, Pressley and Tlaib) have completely jettisoned to pursue Scorched Earth Politics. The result is raging hatred, unflinching and unyielding retrenchment, zero compromise, and nothing gets accomplished. With regard to the latter four, aka "The Squad", one of their objectives is complete governmental gridlock. They aren't "Democrats", they're Democratic Socialists. With Senator Bernie Sanders as figurehead on their bowsprit, they're goal is co-opting the Democratic Party, which would very radically change it. If you want to upend and overturn politics and a political system, the most common strategy is to gridlock it, and generate so much chaos within it that it can no longer function with any semblance of effectiveness.

    Watch for a motion to censure Pelosi, probably next week, and the authors will force a vote on it - although the likelihood of it passing is zero.

    John

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    This is going to be a definite win/lose situation for Nancy.

    Sure, her base will love her for this, so good job.

    However, some democrats and some independents are NOT going to like this kind of disrespectful action. It will be seen as entirely inappropriate. How it will affect the general election come November is anyone's guess, but I believe it will do more harm than good.

    I naturally expect her to be reelected. She is secure in her district. It will be the symbolic collateral damage to other democrats in more moderate areas that are potentially harmed.

    Regards,

    Doug
     

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    This is going to be a definite win/lose situation for Nancy.

    Sure, her base will love her for this, so good job.

    However, some democrats and some independents are NOT going to like this kind of disrespectful action. It will be seen as entirely inappropriate. How it will affect the general election come November is anyone's guess, but I believe it will do more harm than good.

    I naturally expect her to be reelected. She is secure in her district. It will be the symbolic collateral damage to other democrats in more moderate areas that are potentially harmed.

    Regards,

    Doug

    A perfect metaphor for Democrats in aggregate, advocates for change that will never actually be allowed to affect their own perks and positions
     

    KittySlayer

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    I naturally expect her to be reelected. She is secure in her district. It will be the symbolic collateral damage to other democrats in more moderate areas that are potentially harmed.

    Maybe Nancy tore up the speech to provide paper for her constituents to wipe their butts with after they crap in the street.
     

    jamil

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JAL again.

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    Honestly, I don't see a problem with "we're better than that." It could probably be stated better, but the idea is right. There's nothing wrong with advocating not going past certain social boundaries. Staying within those boundaries prevents hypocrisy for one thing.
     

    jamil

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    Nancy's rattled...

    [video=youtube;PmefSiAZNOw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmefSiAZNOw[/video]

    That ***** is delusional. Not just that, she's a vengeful ugly *****. And I don't mean ugly in appearance so much as just her general demeanor. She's just a hateful, spiteful, butthurt old ***** with no self-awareness. The SOTU was probably the best speech I've heard Trump deliver. Yeah, it had some exaggerations, but no more than any president has ever made in a SOTU address. That's kinda the purpose of that address. To present your administration and your party in the best light, and yes, often, to present the opposing party in the worst. She has lost any ability to be objective, or even entertain the notions that there weren't as many falsehoods in that speech as she would like to imagine. And that's what TDS does to a person.
     
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