Police Kill Man Who Answered Door With Gun In Hand

[littletommy]

Just a general FYI, a German shepherd and a pit bull in the house greatly reduce the longevity of bull**** door knocks, even if it’s just a poor sap that’s been cursed with having to knock on doors for a living, none of em stick around long, and they always take “no, go away” for an answer.

 

[Dirtebiker]

I wonder how people with that kind of logic even go outside. If someone is knocking on your door these days its either the police, salesmen, or someone in serious distress. A criminal isnt going to knock.

Really!? Many criminals make entry by knocking!

 

[Dirtebiker]

Very hard to watch....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R49P9TuFLOQ

This perspective also shows the shooting officer's perspective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnA17NkTOww&t=1s

just watched again. This makes me sick! As disgusting as the shooting is, the flat out LYING afterwards is worse!
He didn’t “whip” the door open!
He didn’t “pull a gun on us”!
He didn’t “take two steps towards us”!
And I didn’t hear any “noises yelled”, it’s possible he said something, I just didn’t hear anything.
As soon as the dude realizes it’s cops at the door, he puts the gun lower than it was when he opened the door and towards his back. He immediately goes to his knees well BEFORE nervous Nelly fills him with lead!
The other cop even admits “I didn’t need to shoot” or something similar. But his partner did need to?

I too support good cops, and not necessarily saying this guy is a bad cop, but he definitely was WAY too quick on the trigger.
I’m pretty sure if that was me, I’d be resigning. I don’t know how you can continue in that career knowing you killed an innocent person.
And if you’d try to talk yourself into believing it was a good shoot, I’d pity you!
Not as much as I do for the victims loved ones, but I really do feel bad for the cop!

 

[Dirtebiker]

We can look at the footage all day long. Since we were not there, our opinions are not relevant. No police officer goes to work thinking that he/she will have to kill someone. One must prepare one's self for the possibility, but no one goes out with a "hunting license." The silliness generated from these incidents usually revolves around the "felony lottery", where a criminal's family looks to cash in after a criminal is provided with their just desserts. Of course, pandering politicians go along for this ride too as they want everybody to vote for them. Chicago, Seattle, Portland, LA, and some other cities are reaping the benefits of that stupidity. In most police agencies, after an officer discharges their firearm in a lethal force encounter, there is a microscopic internal investigation, followed by a prosecutor's review, and in some cases, a criminal investigation. No one here wants to go through that. As valuable as videos are from a learning standpoint, they fail on the opinion standpoint. And, for those that just cannot help it and throw their two cents in, bravo. Now put your money where your mouth is and apply at your local PD. They are always looking for great recruits.

Did you even see the video? This wasn’t a “criminal provided with their just deserts”! This was a guy that was spending quality time with his girlfriend, doing absolutely NOTHING wrong! Even answering the door with gun in hand is doing nothing wrong! Do you have evidence this guy was a “criminal “?

 

[ajeandy]

Did you even see the video? This wasn’t a “criminal provided with their just deserts”! This was a guy that was spending quality time with his girlfriend, doing absolutely NOTHING wrong! Even answering the door with gun in hand is doing nothing wrong! Do you have evidence this guy was a “criminal “?

I didn't want to really open up the can but he's a cop defending a cop. I mentioned that I understand it's an incredibly difficult AND dangerous job AND there's been way too many cops who lose their lives over nothing, but you can't justify a bad shot / killing just because it was a cop who killed him.

 

[Route 45]

We can look at the footage all day long. Since we were not there, our opinions are not relevant.

I expect you to remain silent on every topic that comes up on this forum, unless you were there. Seems fair. Unless you learn what a discussion forum is in the near future.

No police officer goes to work thinking that he/she will have to kill someone. One must prepare one's self for the possibility, but no one goes out with a "hunting license." The silliness generated from these incidents usually revolves around the "felony lottery", where a criminal's family looks to cash in after a criminal is provided with their just desserts. Of course, pandering politicians go along for this ride too as they want everybody to vote for them. Chicago, Seattle, Portland, LA, and some other cities are reaping the benefits of that stupidity. In most police agencies, after an officer discharges their firearm in a lethal force encounter, there is a microscopic internal investigation, followed by a prosecutor's review, and in some cases, a criminal investigation. No one here wants to go through that.

No arguments there. Most politicians trend towards "scumbag."

As valuable as videos are from a learning standpoint, they fail on the opinion standpoint.

That sounds suspiciously like an opinion to me.

And, for those that just cannot help it and throw their two cents in, bravo. Now put your money where your mouth is and apply at your local PD. They are always looking for great recruits.

Been there, done that, still get the newsletter. This looks like a bad shoot to me.

 

[Dirtebiker]

I didn't want to really open up the can but he's a cop defending a cop. I mentioned that I understand it's an incredibly difficult AND dangerous job AND there's been way too many cops who lose their lives over nothing, but you can't justify a bad shot / killing just because it was a cop who killed him.

Agreed wholeheartedly!
It sickens me that SOME cops can’t admit what is right in front of them.
He’s right when he says that criminals families try to, and DO get a big payday when the thugs are JUSTIFIABLY shot, but that is NOT what happened in this case.
Either he didn’t watch the video or he just can’t accept that cops DO sometimes get it wrong!

 

[churchmouse]

And we all need to step back for just a moment. Deep breath.

 

[OurDee]

Lesson #1 Do not open the door for any one you didn't call!

Lesson #2 Do not approach the door! Maintain distance.

Lesson #3 Stay behind cover! Plan ahead.

 

[lashicoN]

What did the officer say He didn't have time for?
I think the caller needs to be questioned.

The Officer was mimicking his perception of how the 911 call went. Unidentified Officer stated (as he was summarizing the call for service), "I'm just going to answer YES to all the questions." < Meaning the caller answered "yes" to all of the questions in the call screening protocol. Then, the Officer again mimicked his perception of the caller, "I don't have time for this!" < meaning that the caller couldn't be inconvenienced to accurately describe the situation he was perceiving. Finally, the Officer is heard making his own statement of, "Yeah, thanks." < A sarcastic nod to the worthlessness of the 911 caller.

The person who prompted this entire situation was a busy-body neighbor, who wanted peace and quiet in a Phoenix apartment complex. He initially called in a common, low, low-priority noise complaint. After 30 minutes of still not getting his peace and quiet, he called in again and both he and the 911 operator (who asked leading questions, not as per their protocol) upgraded the low-level noise complaint to a high priority domestic. The rest is history.

 

[Jaybird1980]

The Officer was mimicking his perception of how the 911 call went. Unidentified Officer stated (as he was summarizing the call for service), "I'm just going to answer YES to all the questions." < Meaning the caller answered "yes" to all of the questions in the call screening protocol. Then, the Officer again mimicked his perception of the caller, "I don't have time for this!" < meaning that the caller couldn't be inconvenienced to accurately describe the situation he was perceiving. Finally, the Officer is heard making his own statement of, "Yeah, thanks." < A sarcastic nod to the worthlessness of the 911 caller.

The person who prompted this entire situation was a busy-body neighbor, who wanted peace and quiet in a Phoenix apartment complex. He initially called in a common, low, low-priority noise complaint. After 30 minutes of still not getting his peace and quiet, he called in again and both he and the 911 operator (who asked leading questions, not as per their protocol) upgraded the low-level noise complaint to a high priority domestic. The rest is history.

You sir have a gift. I was unable to make that out.

 

[223 Gunner]

Video was hard to watch.
I hear "Hands hands hands" as the officers pistol is firing.
No one can comply that quickly, I think it was a nervous officer behind the trigger.

I have never been a police officer, or in a situation like that, so I cannot say what I would have done.
But to me it looks bad, and the worse part is the lying that ensues quickly after the shoot.
Like a lot of employees, I better cover my a** this could get ugly.

 

[airrifle82]

The sad truth is there are police officers out there that will murder you if they feel they can get away with it. Obviously all police officers are not murderers, but some are. So when
the police are at your door, don't answer with a gun in your hand. Don't reach in your pockets during a traffic stop. Use common sense. Always look through the peephole or out the
window before you answer the door. Just because you have the "right" to do something doesn't mean some mentally ill person won't murder you for doing it. Cameras are always a good idea.

 

[ajeandy]

The sad truth is there are police officers out there that will murder you if they feel they can get away with it. Obviously all police officers are not murderers, but some are. So when
the police are at your door, don't answer with a gun in your hand. Don't reach in your pockets during a traffic stop. Use common sense. Always look through the peephole or out the
window before you answer the door. Just because you have the "right" to do something doesn't mean some mentally ill person won't murder you for doing it. Cameras are always a good idea.

As I said before, if cops come to my door uninvited they better have a warrant.

 

[Route 45]

The sad truth is there are police officers out there that will murder you if they feel they can get away with it. Obviously all police officers are not murderers, but some are. So when
the police are at your door, don't answer with a gun in your hand. Don't reach in your pockets during a traffic stop. Use common sense. Always look through the peephole or out the
window before you answer the door. Just because you have the "right" to do something doesn't mean some mentally ill person won't murder you for doing it. Cameras are always a good idea.

I don't think you know what the word "murder" means.

 

[airrifle82]

I don't think you know what the word "murder" means.

Apparently you don't.

 

[airrifle82]

As I said before, if cops come to my door uninvited they better have a warrant.

Or what? What will you do? Comply? Or roll the dice?

 

[churchmouse]

Done for the night.

 

[churchmouse]

Play nice people.

 

[Route 45]

Apparently you don't.

Murder is the premeditated killing of another person. Pretty sure the officer didn’t plan on killing whoever opened the door.

Words mean things.