The FORD Bronco is back for 2020

[Butch627]

If you want a off road vehicle with removable doors and top with great approach and departure angles you have had one choice for the past 4 decades. If you want a vehicle factory designed to have that and 35 inch tires from the factory this is the first time.. H1 is too wide for guys who actually do off roading on tight trails. Now you have a second choice. If you don't want a Bronco because of its style you are looking at it for the wrong reasons. If you are angry that they did not resume production of a vehicle designed over 50 years ago you are kind of delusonal

 

[churchmouse]

If you want a off road vehicle with removable doors and top with great approach and departure angles you have had one choice for the past 4 decades. If you want a vehicle factory designed to have that and 35 inch tires from the factory this is the first time.. H1 is too wide for guys who actually do off roading on tight trails. Now you have a second choice. If you don't want a Bronco because of its style you are looking at it for the wrong reasons. If you are angry that they did not resume production of a vehicle designed over 50 years ago you are kind of delusonal

If that is your take on my post you live on Mars.
Those rigs are way too expensive to do tight trail usage unless you have deeeeep
Pockets.
Seriously. They did it with the Mustang They did it with the Challenger. They did it with the Camaro (Almost) and they are as up to date in Tech as anything out there. I am confused. Style has soooo much to do with a daily driver which is in fact what 97% of these will see. That’s what folks want.
So yes style is a major factor. Especially if the spouse drives it.
My point was give it a new name for a new platform. Don’t fall back on a much loved rig from bygone days as a market ploy.
sheeesh.

 

[indyblue]

The Bronco motor issue is something a forum started tracking, the media got ahold of, and blew it up for clicks. There's nothing wrong with the 2.7L 6 cylinder. It's in many other vehicles with no issue, including F-150s. The issue is a bad batch of valves in a certain time frame of 2.7s for Broncos.

Ford said that they’re investigating. If they have investigated and found it’s a bad lot of valves, it seems to me they’d say that. Unless the investigation at this point is to identify which vehicles would be involved in a recall.

This sounds similar to an issue GM had with a manufacturers bad lot of valves that made it into production for the C6 427 Corvettes. A bunch of those engines have dropped valves necessitating new engines.

 

[Butch627]

If that is your take on my post you live on Mars.
Those rigs are way too expensive to do tight trail usage unless you have deeeeep
Pockets.
Seriously. They did it with the Mustang They did it with the Challenger. They did it with the Camaro (Almost) and they are as up to date in Tech as anything out there. I am confused. Style has soooo much to do with a daily driver which is in fact what 97% of these will see. That’s what folks want.
So yes style is a major factor. Especially if the spouse drives it.
My point was give it a new name for a new platform. Don’t fall back on a much loved rig from bygone days as a market ploy.
sheeesh.

If I was addressing you specifically I would have quoted you.
People buy new Jeeps and take them offroading on trails, and they are in the same price range but only with 33 inch tires from the factory. If I want an off road vehicle I am more concerned with capability than style, and I am sure that I am not the only one. If the Bronco had a n/a V8 or V6 I would probably have ordered one but Im not bitching that it doesn't have a 289 and 2bl carb and 3 on the tree. If the Bronco had been evolving continuously from 1967 im sorry but it would not still be using the same body as the original and would probably look just like it does now. Are all the people bitching about the Bronco still losing sleep about the fox body mustang?

I owned, modified and wheeled and broke Jeeps, and Scouts in the 80's and wheeled with Broncos. They were POS in every single way except simplicity compared to a modern Jeep or Bronco. Why the nameplate on a vehicle makes people go bonkers is beyond me. If you don't want to go off roading to a modern Bronco's capability there are probably 100 other vehicles you can buy with styling you may like..

 

[Ingomike]

If that is your take on my post you live on Mars.
Those rigs are way too expensive to do tight trail usage unless you have deeeeep
Pockets.
Seriously. They did it with the Mustang They did it with the Challenger. They did it with the Camaro (Almost) and they are as up to date in Tech as anything out there. I am confused. Style has soooo much to do with a daily driver which is in fact what 97% of these will see. That’s what folks want.
So yes style is a major factor. Especially if the spouse drives it.
My point was give it a new name for a new platform. Don’t fall back on a much loved rig from bygone days as a market ploy.
sheeesh.

An explanation of the chronic reuse of old names, it is true they are playing marketing on the back of some beloved vehicles names but then there is the whole ownership of the name issue. Notice how so many new car names just sound completely made up? They are. It is getting harder all the time to come up with a name that the company can completely own, including all the rights and trademarks. That is why names like Maverick are being recycled on a vehicle that no one thinks resembles a Maverick of old but Ford owns the name completely…

 

[churchmouse]

If I was addressing you specifically I would have quoted you.
People buy new Jeeps and take them offroading on trails, and they are in the same price range but only with 33 inch tires from the factory. If I want an off road vehicle I am more concerned with capability than style, and I am sure that I am not the only one. If the Bronco had a n/a V8 or V6 I would probably have ordered one but Im not bitching that it doesn't have a 289 and 2bl carb and 3 on the tree. If the Bronco had been evolving continuously from 1967 im sorry but it would not still be using the same body as the original and would probably look just like it does now. Are all the people bitching about the Bronco still losing sleep about the fox body mustang?

I owned, modified and wheeled and broke Jeeps, and Scouts in the 80's and wheeled with Broncos. They were POS in every single way except simplicity compared to a modern Jeep or Bronco. Why the nameplate on a vehicle makes people go bonkers is beyond me. If you don't want to go off roading to a modern Bronco's capability there are probably 100 other vehicles you can buy with styling you may like..

Man are you sensitive. Read my post and yes you did work off my opinion OK. But that's fine as I tried to explain my opinion which you completely blew off. I said new tech of the day not old school manual front hubs. Ease up man.
How many people with 60K in those jeeps actually get some mud on them? I am sure some do. Same with the new "BRONCO" the with this the question stands. But your points are valid if one is so inclined. I never questioned the ability's of the platform only the decision made in marketing to boost sales.
In the day the big three had a terrible track record of marketing rebadged POS platforms as 442's and such. Mopars attempts at this were as bad or worse so yes I am not a fan of it. Loosing sleep, no sir. Just thinking they could be a bit more creative.

I have spent my share of time in the woods wheeling as you say and it was fun. I built a couple of serious pieces but not for tight trails. Indiana is not prime real estate for this hobby/Passion. So I know my way around a tool box/lathe/mill.

Enjoy the day.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Well , the feds are investigating, so it seems like it might be more than a couple of instances of sudden engine failure.

The Feds are not 'investigating' regardless of what clickbait media and new media sources who don't understand what they are saying repeating it. They may at some point, but not yet Here's the actual NHTSA information:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-DP22001-4273.PDF

32 people filed complaints. 3 petitioned for an investigation. Complaints filed equates to about 0.12% of sold models.

Anyone can petition the NHTSA to do an investigation. They then evaluate if they will or not. If they do, there's a preliminary investigation. It can then progress to an engineering investigation.

This defect petition has been opened to evaluate the issue and determine whether to grant or deny the petitions.

An actual investigation would look like this one for Honda:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-PE22005-9303.PDF

Action: Open a Preliminary Investigation (PE)

I can't fathom why anyone still trusts the media to get the details right.

 

[churchmouse]

An explanation of the chronic reuse of old names, it is true they are playing marketing on the back of some beloved vehicles names but then there is the whole ownership of the name issue. Notice how so many new car names just sound completely made up? They are. It is getting harder all the time to come up with a name that the company can completely own, including all the rights and trademarks. That is why names like Maverick are being recycled on a vehicle that no one thinks resembles a Maverick of old but Ford owns the name completely…

Good points.

 

[tmcindy]

I will say this, I preferred the Broncos over the Blazers back in the '70s.

 

[Route 45]

The Feds are not 'investigating' regardless of what clickbait media and new media sources who don't understand what they are saying repeating it. They may at some point, but not yet Here's the actual NHTSA information:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-DP22001-4273.PDF

32 people filed complaints. 3 petitioned for an investigation. Complaints filed equates to about 0.12% of sold models.

Anyone can petition the NHTSA to do an investigation. They then evaluate if they will or not. If they do, there's a preliminary investigation. It can then progress to an engineering investigation.


An actual investigation would look like this one for Honda:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-PE22005-9303.PDF

I can't fathom why anyone still trusts the media to get the details right.

A preliminary review of the petition is the first step of an investigation. It may go nowhere, but the feds are looking at it. You are free to focus on the media's verbiage, but the fact is that there is a problem and the feds will be reviewing the issue. I usually don't gve much credence to mainstream media, but history has shown that auto manufacturers have often given journalists a run for their money in the scumbaggery department.

 

[churchmouse]

I will say this, I preferred the Broncos over the Blazers back in the '70s.

GM guy here as may bleed through in my opinions possibly but I dont like GM doing this either.
K-5's were decent enough. They led up to one of the best vehicles we ever owned. 1998 Yuckon 2 door short wheel base like a K-5. Last year of the 2 doors. It had all the factory suspension upgrades wheel flares bigger tires etc. Fully optioned out. And yes it went into the woods its fair share on camping excursions but one had to be ultra careful with the grey interior...
I miss that rig.
CKW (spouse) used it as her daily for a number of years until she experienced the cowboy Cadillac smooth ride of my 04 GMC Sierra extended cad Z-74. Her Yuckon had a trans failure at 95K (my fault I am sure) and she rolled my truck for a week. I picked up her Yuckon and parked it in the drive. Next morning she stole my truck and never gave it back. The short wheel base yuckon rode like a truck compared to my truck. Go figure.
I still have my truck...

 

[Timjoebillybob]

That is why names like Maverick are being recycled on a vehicle that no one thinks resembles a Maverick of old but Ford owns the name completely…

Resembles a Maverick of old? It's not even the same type of vehicle. They should have used Ranchero. That would have been at least closer.

 

[Ingomike]

Resembles a Maverick of old? It's not even the same type of vehicle. They should have used Ranchero. That would have been at least closer.

Yes, that would have made some sense. LOL

 

[Butch627]

The name of a vehicle is just a bunch of letters. If you either buy or don't buy due to the name of the vehicle the issue is with you not the company that made it.

 

[Butch627]

The name of a vehicle is just a bunch of letters. If you either buy or don't buy due to the name of the vehicle the issue is with you not the company that made it.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Recycling names is about cost savings. Brand recognition isn't cheap to build and people gravitate toward the familiar, even if they aren't sure exactly why it's familiar. Companies spend big bucks getting the name of their product into the public mind and reusing an existing name jump starts that process. Additionally, focus groups tell manufacturers when a name resonates with target markets.

Vehicle purchases tend to have a healthy dose of emotional attachment.

 

[gregkl]

The Feds are not 'investigating' regardless of what clickbait media and new media sources who don't understand what they are saying repeating it. They may at some point, but not yet Here's the actual NHTSA information:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-DP22001-4273.PDF

32 people filed complaints. 3 petitioned for an investigation. Complaints filed equates to about 0.12% of sold models.

Anyone can petition the NHTSA to do an investigation. They then evaluate if they will or not. If they do, there's a preliminary investigation. It can then progress to an engineering investigation.


An actual investigation would look like this one for Honda:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-PE22005-9303.PDF

I can't fathom why anyone still trusts the media to get the details right.

Or think because the Fed is involved, it is now legit.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

A preliminary review of the petition is the first step of an investigation. It may go nowhere, but the feds are looking at it. You are free to focus on the media's verbiage, but the fact is that there is a problem and the feds will be reviewing the issue. I usually don't gve much credence to mainstream media, but history has shown that auto manufacturers have often given journalists a run for their money in the scumbaggery department.

Perspective:

32 complaints out of over 25,000 vehicles sold.
Nearly all of which are dropped valves in motors that were manufactured in a 3 month stretch.
In a motor that's used broadly in other models without reported issue, including roughly 150,000 F150 trucks a year.

The Bronco currently has fewer recalls than the Toyota Camry of the same model years...

I remain unconcerned and, were they actually available, I'd have no issue buying one tomorrow. As it is, I'm waiting for Ford to screw up the launch of the Ranger Raptor. I'm about 80% set on buying one as my next vehicle if they are actually available in 2023. I love the idea of the F150 Raptor, I just don't think I want to deal with the width on some of the 'adventure trail' off road paths I want to do, nor on a daily basis.

 

[Ingomike]

The name of a vehicle is just a bunch of letters. If you either buy or don't buy due to the name of the vehicle the issue is with you not the company that made it.

Let me guess, you are not a biologist so you don’t know what woman means either?

 

[Butch627]

Let me guess, you are not a biologist so you don’t know what woman means either?

You are far to clever for me, I have no idea what point you are trying to make, so I am just going to assume that maybe you are drunk or just wanted to say something without really thinking about what you wanted to say before you came after me.
Not that it has anything to do with this thread but in grammar school I was taught that a woman has a XX chromosome profile your definition may vary but this may not be the best thread to discuss it. Im pretty sure a vehicle neither knows or cares what it is named but I respect that you may believe otherwise.