Circleville K9 Bites Black Man

[Ark]

Are those the only two such attacks in a decade? Where's the data to support that assertion... oh, wait, THAT is the data they refused to release or talk about... ETA: or even acknowledge if it exists or not.

Regardless, are you ok with releasing K9s into residential areas? (I'm definitely NOT absence an active shooter on the loose, or equivalent)

Would you be ok if it was your father/grandfather attacked on his own front porch while minding his own business? Your pregnant wife or daughter attacked on her own front porch. (I would not, and if present for an attack on my father/wife/daughter would have put an immediate, and permanent, halt to the attack)

The article (from 2021) focuses on two attacks that they know of because the attorney for the pregnant woman, who according to the reporting went into pre-mature labor due to the K9 attack, and an elderly man came forward with it. These two are just the most vocal and sympathetic that we know of...

The unanswered question is whether or not ALL K9 bites are recorded and what the record is of attacks on UNINTENDED targets.

IMO, "No comment" is the opposite of "it's not a problem". Also IMO it is more suspicious to not address - makes me suspect that that it is a problem, they know it's a problem, and that they don't want it to surface... "move along, nothing to see here" in the bad sense.

I do not believe for a second there is some vast body of covered-up K9 attacks on random people. Do you think IMPD is popping the victims and burying them in the back yard?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I do not believe for a second there is some vast body of covered-up K9 attacks on random people.

I do not trust TPTB, especially when they are non-transparent. My life experience tells me this distrust is correct when TPTB act like they have something to hide... they normally do.

Do you think IMPD is popping the victims and burying them in the back yard?

Do you think the IMPD is forthcoming on all non-target K9 attacks (civilians and other LEO/responders) leading to bodily injury? Show your work.

 

[Ark]

I do not trust TPTB, especially when they are non-transparent. My life experience tells me this distrust is correct when TPTB act like they have something to hide... they normally do.


Do you think the IMPD is forthcoming on all non-target K9 attacks (civilians and other LEO/responders) leading to bodily injury? Show your work.

Kay. You have no evidence to support that.

People don't shut up and cease to exist when they are wrongly attacked by a K9. They sue and get compensated. Where are the suits and settlements?

It's not on me to disprove you, it's on you to prove what you're claiming. The non-existence of the thing with no evidence for its existence is the default. I don't need to disprove Bigfoot, you have to prove it.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Kay. You have no evidence to support that.

People don't shut up and cease to exist when they are wrongly attacked by a K9. They sue and get compensated. Where are the suits and settlements?

It's not on me to disprove you, it's on you to prove what you're claiming. The non-existence of the thing with no evidence for its existence is the default. I don't need to disprove Bigfoot, you have to prove it.

First, there were additional UNNAMED victims in the lawsuit against Indy, Mancini, the pregnant woman attacked in her own fenced backyard was the only named plaintiff, there were additional John/Jane Doe plaintiffs in the lawsuit. They didn't "shut up", they just didn't want to be identified... btw, the city counter-sued to pierce their anonymity in the Mancini lead case... Indy doesn't know who their K9s bit?

Second, this "most sympathetic" victim's case was DISMISSED as a judge found the attack did not violate her constitutional rights... because the attack on her was UNINTENDED. She heard her dogs barking in her fenced backyard, went outside and was mauled... but "only for 15-20 seconds".

District court judge says 2015 police K-9 attack did not violate pregnant woman's rights

U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Walton Pratt wrote that IMPD did not violate the woman's constitutional rights because the attack was not intended for her.

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So you're assumptions that "the courts will save us" is just plain wrong. The courts have specifically spoken that if you are an UNINTENDED K9 mauling victim, oh well...

 

[Denny347]

Nevermind

 

[Destro]

Interesting, I have yet to see it. I dont think I have even seen the marked K9 Cruiser for awhile now.
Lots of money have been dumped into our PD in the last few years. Where did you work?

I am officially retired from LE in the area now. We live in times too absurd for me to continue.

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[Destro]

Where are you guys finding the video from the K9 officer (photos of him show him wearing a body camera) to make the determination on the appropriateness of this use of force?

I have only seen the video from 1 perspective.

 

[Creedmoor]

I am officially retired from LE in the area now. We live in times too absurd for me to continue.

Meet Jaxon, Alex PDs newest officer

The mean streets of North Madison Co getting to tough? lol
I'm going to assume Anderson.
Thanks, Rue's a good guy, I miss Puente.

 

[Shadow01]

Every officer there has responsibility in this. The one that released the dog has the most and the rest for knowing that the dog should not have been released and did nothing to mitigate the injuries.

 

[Destro]

The mean streets of North Madison Co getting to tough? lol
I'm going to assume Anderson.

Swing and a miss,

Not sure what the sarcasm is for, an officer was literally murdered less than a year ago. Or have you repeated the rural/small town tropes about "nothing bad happens here" so much actual violence seems a world away? Anyway, Bad guys are the easy part, they go to jail. My issue is society in the peripheral.

It didn't make sense to continue to risk my freedom, liberty, and family's well being to do a job that, ironically, people who don't do somehow know how to do better.

It was a job I loved and cherished. Nothing was more rewarding than being the first person to put a hand out to those experiencing the worst day of their lives. Nothing lasts forever I guess.

 

[Bugzilla]

Are those the only two such attacks in a decade? Where's the data to support that assertion... oh, wait, THAT is the data they refused to release or talk about... ETA: or even acknowledge if it exists or not.

Regardless, are you ok with releasing K9s into residential areas? (I'm definitely NOT absence an active shooter on the loose, or equivalent)

Would you be ok if it was your father/grandfather attacked on his own front porch while minding his own business? Your pregnant wife or daughter attacked on her own front porch. (I would not, and if present for an attack on my father/wife/daughter would have put an immediate, and permanent, halt to the attack)

The article (from 2021) focuses on two attacks that they know of because the attorney for the pregnant woman, who according to the reporting went into pre-mature labor due to the K9 attack, and an elderly man came forward with it. These two are just the most vocal and sympathetic that we know of...

The unanswered question is whether or not ALL K9 bites are recorded and what the record is of attacks on UNINTENDED targets.

IMO, "No comment" is the opposite of "it's not a problem". Also IMO it is more suspicious to not address - makes me suspect that that it is a problem, they know it's a problem, and that they don't want it to surface... "move along, nothing to see here" in the bad sense.

We are about police dogs, not pit bulls.

 

[Ark]

First, there were additional UNNAMED victims in the lawsuit against Indy, Mancini, the pregnant woman attacked in her own fenced backyard was the only named plaintiff, there were additional John/Jane Doe plaintiffs in the lawsuit. They didn't "shut up", they just didn't want to be identified... btw, the city counter-sued to pierce their anonymity in the Mancini lead case... Indy doesn't know who their K9s bit?

Second, this "most sympathetic" victim's case was DISMISSED as a judge found the attack did not violate her constitutional rights... because the attack on her was UNINTENDED. She heard her dogs barking in her fenced backyard, went outside and was mauled... but "only for 15-20 seconds".

District court judge says 2015 police K-9 attack did not violate pregnant woman's rights

U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Walton Pratt wrote that IMPD did not violate the woman's constitutional rights because the attack was not intended for her.

www.indystar.com

Mancini v. City of Indianapolis, Case No. 1:16-cv-02048-TWP-MJD | Casetext Search + Citator

Read Mancini v. City of Indianapolis, Case No. 1:16-cv-02048-TWP-MJD, see flags on bad law, and search Casetext’s comprehensive legal database

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So you're assumptions that "the courts will save us" is just plain wrong. The courts have specifically spoken that if you are an UNINTENDED K9 mauling victim, oh well...

I was attacked wrongly by a police dog.

I am hiding my identity as well as all actual evidence of this event.

This is proof the event happened.

 

[Creedmoor]

Swing and a miss,

Not sure what the sarcasm is for, an officer was literally murdered less than a year ago. Or have you repeated the rural/small town tropes about "nothing bad happens here" so much actual violence seems a world away? Anyway, Bad guys are the easy part, they go to jail. My issue is society in the peripheral.

It didn't make sense to continue to risk my freedom, liberty, and family's well being to do a job that, ironically, people who don't do somehow know how to do better.

It was a job I loved and cherished. Nothing was more rewarding than being the first person to put a hand out to those experiencing the worst day of their lives. Nothing lasts forever I guess.

Do you not get humor?
It was humor, nothing more than humor.

Its probably a good move that you got out of LE sir.

 

[manifest destiny]

So the actual data shows there's no problem at all.

You might want to read the article again. The data show there was/is a problem and it lead IMPD to announce "significant changes to their k9 unit" in response to said problems.

 

[Denny347]

Every officer there has responsibility in this. The one that released the dog has the most and the rest for knowing that the dog should not have been released and did nothing to mitigate the injuries.

I've asked this before, what would you have had the Troopers do, specifically?

 

[Shadow01]

I've asked this before, what would you have had the Troopers do, specifically?

They have an obligation to make sure other officers don’t screw up. They should have intervened in the attack. Look at it this way. If any dog was attacking a child and you were on site, what would you do? This circumstance should be treated the same way. I guess if officers would set and watch a child be mutilated by a dog, then they should do the same in this instance and vise versa. I would not be against putting the dog down if the shot was clear and the citizen was being injured. This gentleman, with his hands in the air and on his knees, deserved no less consideration than a young child being attacked by a stray dog.

 

[KLB]

They have an obligation to make sure other officers don’t screw up. They should have intervened in the attack. Look at it this way. If any dog was attacking a child and you were on site, what would you do? This circumstance should be treated the same way. I guess if officers would set and watch a child be mutilated by a dog, then they should do the same in this instance and vise versa. I would not be against putting the dog down if the shot was clear and the citizen was being injured. This gentleman, with his hands in the air and on his knees, deserved no less consideration than a young child being attacked by a stray dog.

You are equating a dog doing what it is told to a stray dog attacking someone?

 

[Expat]

I've asked this before, what would you have had the Troopers do, specifically?

Open fire on the city cops?

 

[Shadow01]

You are equating a dog doing what it is told to a stray dog attacking someone?

A dog attack is a dog attack. I guess you can conclude that a dog being told to attack is actually more serious and carries heavier consequences to those giving the order. Pick 2 people and have one step into a contained area with a stray vicious dog and have the second step into a different contained area with a trained police dog ordered to attack and when it is over ask the 2 victims which attack was more violent.

 

[Creedmoor]

I've asked this before, what would you have had the Troopers do, specifically?

Personally, With what footage has been released all of LE should have intervened when the dog was cut loose. The K9 officer in my opinion with what I have seen lost his qualified immunity, as soon as he let the dog loose. He turned a K9 on a citizen that was obeying the Troopers.
The Troopers had control of the situation at hand. The told him more than once Not to release the dog on a citizen that was unarmed, on his knees with his hands up.
The Troopers should have cuffed and stuffed that officer that was the dog handler, and taken him to jail.