Man or dogs?

[Joe Williams]

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The history of the breed demonstrates that unless he is properly trained and socialized at a young age, this strong-minded dog will quickly attempt to dominate the household. snip.

Same is true of our Chihuahua... or most any dog.

And people do keep wolves as pets.

 

[OiRadio47]

"Assault weapons" weren't "bred" for fighting & killing other guns/people as Pit Bulls have been.

"Assault rifles" also can't escape from their cage/yard/kennel & violently attack others all on their own.

the American Pit Bull Terrier is the only dog that was bred to NOT attack humans. human aggresive dogs were put down. Now if you were to buy a puppy from a kid in the ghetto selling dogs for a profit, then the temperment might be sketchy.

sure an assualt rifle isn't going to walk out of a safe and shoot someone. it all has to do with the OWNER. if a assualt rifle falls in the hands of a unresponsible person, you never know what they will use it for. same thing with a pit bull. like if a thug buys a pit bull to look cool, or to be a badass, and doesn't treat it properly. then it ends up up being a problem.


there are alot of responsible pit bulls owners out there that you don't know of. there are also alot of people that own assault rifles that are responsible owners. you can't hate them for the what the irresponsible people do with them.

a assualt rifle is just a gun, and a pitbull is just a dog.

 

[Andre46996]

wow, why all the pit bull haters on this site? educate yourself people. you hate it when the media talks about guns. ever think the media plays a huge role in the reputation of these dogs? just as everyone has to apply for a LTCH application, i am hassled by the city to license my dogs
as registered attack dogs. they are far from attack dogs. i'm not gonna go preaching about the dogs, because most of everyone who posted in this thread believes what they want. sure there are thugs that own pit bulls for the wrong reason. same as the thugs that have guns that shouldn't have them. that doesn't mean everyone with a gun is a thug, and it doesn't mean everyone that owns a pitbull is a thug either. think about it...




and you sir are a true dumbass. you mother should not have been allowed to breed...

the American Pit Bull Terrier is the only dog that was bred to NOT attack humans. human aggresive dogs were put down. Now if you were to buy a puppy from a kid in the ghetto selling dogs for a profit, then the temperment might be sketchy.

sure an assualt rifle isn't going to walk out of a safe and shoot someone. it all has to do with the OWNER. if a assualt rifle falls in the hands of a unresponsible person, you never know what they will use it for. same thing with a pit bull. like if a thug buys a pit bull to look cool, or to be a badass, and doesn't treat it properly. then it ends up up being a problem.


there are alot of responsible pit bulls owners out there that you don't know of. there are also alot of people that own assault rifles that are responsible owners. you can't hate them for the what the irresponsible people do with them.

a assualt rifle is just a gun, and a pitbull is just a dog.

Somebody give this guy some positive rep I am out for now!!

You'll find there are a few of us here that own and love pits!!

If you need AR parts and accessories check out Indiana Supply Depot and Cwood he is a fellow pit owner and good guy I used him the first time because of his response in a thread about pits.

 

[E5RANGER375]

If the OP's scenario happened to me, then there would be a big mess on the sidewalk, i would be the only one left standing because after i shot his dogs, i would kick the living sh*t out of him for making me shoot his dogs.

 

[MarkM]

I would try and get my phone out to record the incident. And while its recording I would warn him so that people don't think I'm an animal killer.

 

[finity]

the American Pit Bull Terrier is the only dog that was bred to NOT attack humans. human aggresive dogs were put down. Now if you were to buy a puppy from a kid in the ghetto selling dogs for a profit, then the temperment might be sketchy.

That may be true in the most recent history but it's natural instinct is for fighting & that had been bred into it for thousands of years prior to that. Even the breed lovers articles state that the abberent behavior does exist in this dog breed.

The problem with this breed is that is so strong & aggressive that, while it MAY not be more agressive toward people than other breeds, it is responsible for more horrific injuries and deaths. In all fairness, Rotts are another breed that makes up a high percentage of human fatalities, too.

sure an assualt rifle isn't going to walk out of a safe and shoot someone. it all has to do with the OWNER. if a assualt rifle falls in the hands of a unresponsible person, you never know what they will use it for. same thing with a pit bull. like if a thug buys a pit bull to look cool, or to be a badass, and doesn't treat it properly. then it ends up up being a problem.

No. A pit bull has a brain & an instinct that it will follow. It can move on it's own. A dog can be a problem regardless of the owners actions or lack of action. A dog can kill a person or another dog without any human intervention. To compare a rifle (an inanimate object) with a dog is just ridiculous.

there are alot of responsible pit bulls owners out there that you don't know of. there are also alot of people that own assault rifles that are responsible owners. you can't hate them for the what the irresponsible people do with them.

a assualt rifle is just a gun, and a pitbull is just a dog.

And a human is just a human but it doesn't prevent their being inherently bad people. Just as their are inherently bad dogs.

I don't doubt and have never said that there weren't responsible pitbull owners around. The problem is that there are alot of owners that aren't responsible enough to have as high of maintenance dog as a pitbull. If they do then they should be held accountable.

Would you be OK with someone raising 30 foot crocodiles as pets in their swimming pool next door to you or a daycare center?

I do find it interesting that people don't have a problem with racially profiling a human being that can act as a rational actor, therefore can deny their upbringing & cultural influences (or not) but when it comes to breed profiling in dogs that don't have the capacity for reason & live solely on instinct, they cry foul.

 

[finity]

Same is true of our Chihuahua... or most any dog.

True but I think the end result of a Chihuahua attack & a Pit attack are likely going to be vastly different.

And people do keep wolves as pets.

Of course, you're right. I got a little carried away & shouldn't have said "nobody". Heck my wife would love to have a wolf/wolf-hybrid as a pet. Wolf-hybrids are popluar for the exact reason that a wolf is a wild animal that hasn't had the generations needed to breed it's instinct out of it. Even if it acts safe you never know when it COULD turn on you or someone else.

Some breeds you have to train to be aggressive. Some are agressive by nature & need that trained out of them.

 

[Cemetery-man]

Good thing I don't get the impulse to shoot every dog walker I get into an argument with. Half the town would be gone by now!

Just about every week I get the privilege of being yelled at, lectured, threatened, etc. by various dog walkers of all sizes and sexes when I confront them on the matter of cleaning up after their 4-legged children while in the cemetery.

I'd be a happier man if I had a dollar for every time i've had teeth exposed to me and growled at. And not just from the dogs!

 

[vietboy1st]

for me. i would shoot the dogs. because the dogs are more threating than the man.

 

[Protest]

for me. i would shoot the dogs. because the dogs are more threating than the man.

That's probably why he has the dogs.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

The breed has it's reputation for a reason.

Just like "assault weapons" have their reputation for a reason?

The breed has been in existance for thousands of years in one form or another & has been used during that history as dogs of war/gladiators/pit-fighting until just recently. Interestingly I just recently read an article from a pro-pit bull owner group that says "Training is an important consideration in pit bull ownership. The history of the breed demonstrates that unless he is properly trained and socialized at a young age, this strong-minded dog will quickly attempt to dominate the household.
Nobody would keep a wolf as a pet & they haven't even been bred as killers. They just kill to survive & have almost never attacked a human in the wild.

Actually most of the "war and gladiator dogs were mastiff varietys.

I'm not saying to necessarily ban them. I have no problem requiring stricter controls & mandatory liability insurance if you decide you want to own one, though. It's your responsibility.

And most of the antis aren't saying necessarily ban guns either, just stricter controls and maybe mandatory liability insurance.

That may be true in the most recent history but it's natural instinct is for fighting & that had been bred into it for thousands of years prior to that. Even the breed lovers articles state that the abberent behavior does exist in this dog breed.

The natural instinct for all dogs is fighting, well at least hunting and killing.

The problem with this breed is that is so strong & aggressive that, while it MAY not be more agressive toward people than other breeds, it is responsible for more horrific injuries and deaths. In all fairness, Rotts are another breed that makes up a high percentage of human fatalities, too.

So all medium to large breeds should be strictly controlled and require liability insurance? Great danes, gsd, dobes, rotts, mastiffs, boxers, huskys, etc. all are strong breeds and can be agressive. Heck something like 50 years ago danes were banned from dog shows for being too aggressive.

I don't doubt and have never said that there weren't responsible pitbull owners around. The problem is that there are alot of owners that aren't responsible enough to have as high of maintenance dog as a pitbull. If they do then they should be held accountable.

And the same can be said of gun owners. And most people on here I think agree if someone misuses a firearm to hold them responsible, but do not blame the responsible ones and make them jump through hoops because of the minority of irresponsible ones.

 

[alluwant]

i would draw and give him a scenario or else i think he will get the picture real quick or find out the hard way

 

[rmabrey]

Two of the best dogs I've ever encountered are pits, and every Thursday they run around the park off their leashes and play with each other and the kids while we play sand volleyball. They obey everyone (not just their owners), and both owners swear they trained them as if they were a lab, poodle, or whatever. No special treatment to train these vicious animals.

 

[OiRadio47]

That may be true in the most recent history but it's natural instinct is for fighting & that had been bred into it for thousands of years prior to that. Even the breed lovers articles state that the abberent behavior does exist in this dog breed.

The problem with this breed is that is so strong & aggressive that, while it MAY not be more agressive toward people than other breeds, it is responsible for more horrific injuries and deaths. In all fairness, Rotts are another breed that makes up a high percentage of human fatalities, too.



No. A pit bull has a brain & an instinct that it will follow. It can move on it's own. A dog can be a problem regardless of the owners actions or lack of action. A dog can kill a person or another dog without any human intervention. To compare a rifle (an inanimate object) with a dog is just ridiculous.




And a human is just a human but it doesn't prevent their being inherently bad people. Just as their are inherently bad dogs.

I don't doubt and have never said that there weren't responsible pitbull owners around. The problem is that there are alot of owners that aren't responsible enough to have as high of maintenance dog as a pitbull. If they do then they should be held accountable.

Would you be OK with someone raising 30 foot crocodiles as pets in their swimming pool next door to you or a daycare center?

I do find it interesting that people don't have a problem with racially profiling a human being that can act as a rational actor, therefore can deny their upbringing & cultural influences (or not) but when it comes to breed profiling in dogs that don't have the capacity for reason & live solely on instinct, they cry foul.

there are a few reasons you hear about pit bulls more than other breeds. #1 is because they are the most common dog in the country. #2 is because they are one of the smartest and strongest breeds of dog. making them the perfect choice for people to use as fighting dogs, home protection, or just to have because someone thinks they look cool/badass.

yes, a dog has a brain. if they owner controls the dog properly, then they have no ability to attack another animal or human. JUST LIKE A GUN. if the owner is in control over the dog 24/7, there is no issue.

go put your assault rifle in the back yard for a few hours loaded by itself. see what happens. wait for someone to see it. ok...now i'm waiting for the "i live in the country", or "i have a 6 foot fence". be realistic.

comparing a american pit bull terrier to a crocadile is rediculous. it is a DOG!!!! a fricking dog!!!

 

[bigiron]

wow, why all the pit bull haters on this site? educate yourself people. you hate it when the media talks about guns. ever think the media plays a huge role in the reputation of these dogs? just as everyone has to apply for a LTCH application, i am hassled by the city to license my dogs
as registered attack dogs. they are far from attack dogs. i'm not gonna go preaching about the dogs, because most of everyone who posted in this thread believes what they want. sure there are thugs that own pit bulls for the wrong reason. same as the thugs that have guns that shouldn't have them. that doesn't mean everyone with a gun is a thug, and it doesn't mean everyone that owns a pitbull is a thug either. think about it...




and you sir are a true dumbass. you mother should not have been allowed to breed...

 

[XDinmyXJ]

My neighbors brothers pit bull attacked his St. Bernard and it took 10 rounds of 9mm to send that pit bull back to where it came from.

Where did he shoot it in the legs?

This pitbull thing is just like a political or religious discussion. Its pointless!

 

[XDinmyXJ]

I'll second that!

 

[bigiron]

left the hardware store with my daughter today. while exiting, the humane society had a dog outside and they were accepting donations. my daughter wouldn't put the money in the jug so leaned in to do and when i did the dog lunged and snapped at my daughter. it didn't get her but if the lady holding the leash weren't paying attention it could have turned out much differently. had that dog bit my daughter, not only would i have shot the f*****g dog, i would have shot everyone standing around out of spite, i'm kidding but i would have made that f*****g mut into doggy hamburger. the lady smiled and appologized. bigiron usually would have chewed someones ass for having an untrained and unfriendly dog in public but these two ladies were spared due to me running late to get my kids from school. moral of the story, any dog can bite ya, and any dumbass owner can be irresponsible. you threaten my with your dog, buy a good shovel. i'll face the judge and my 25 dollar fine for discharging a round inside city limits.

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

Where did he shoot it in the legs?

This pitbull thing is just like a political or religious discussion. Its pointless!

In the body, a head shot was in order but he didn't want to kill his dog in the process.

 

[dyerwatcher]

Back up and draw. Fire if they are released, control the idiot and call the police. On a side note I have a mutt - a German Shepherd, Lab and Pit mix. He is five months old and about to start round 2 of obedience training. The neighborhood kids love him - even tho two of the three breeds are ruthless killers. I know many little dust mop so-called dogs that are vicious. The assault rifle discussion is accurate - the rifle does have a so called brain - squeezing the trigger. It is all how they are raised - including their owners!!!