-1 SBPD (Officer Maxey)

[HK Guy]

Regardless of how I spell his name, he is a nice guy. He know of this thread too.

 

[jamil]

I actually know Maxie and he's a pretty nice guy who's into military history. I'm think the whole thing was blown aay out of proportion, but I'm not going to go back and read 436 posts either.

Eh. The 436 posts are mostly people poking fun at officer “Maxie” for being a douche.

 

[Thor]

Regardless of how I spell his name, he is a nice guy. He know of this thread too.

Maybe he shouldn't act like that in public again? Don't be a douche and you won't be called out as one.

 

[Butch627]

Regardless of how I spell his name, he is a nice guy. He know of this thread too.

You should encourage him to come over here and clear the air

 

[jamil]

You should encourage him to come over here and clear the air

Yes. I’m open to hearing his side of that encounter. And, lots of people are “nice guys”. Everyone has some potential ******* in them though. If he believed that you can’t just open carry a firearm, that the law surely forbids that, I could see why he acted like he was portrayed in the story. Would have been a really good example of being a “nice guy” if he’d have been apologetic about how he treated a law abiding citizen. And maybe he was. Maybe we haven’t heard that part of the story. I’d certainly like to hear it if there is more to the story than the side we heard from.

 

[femurphy77]

I actually know Maxie and he's a pretty nice guy who's into military history. I'm think the whole thing was blown aay out of proportion, but I'm not going to go back and read 436 posts either.

Even nice guys can have a dick side.

Doh! Jamil beat me to it.

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

I had my first negative encounter with an officer today.

My fiance and I were picking up some soda from Wal-Greens (corner of Edison and Ironwood), and as we just finished checking out, I hear from behind me "Are you an off duty officer?" I turn to answer, and I see it is a South Bend PD officer. I reply "No, open carry is legal in Indiana, I have my license." In turn he insists it is not. I told him I had my license, and it does not say how you must carry; I also told him he was more than welcome to run it if he would like.

While he was running my license, he continued to insist that it was illegal to open carry, and that I must have it concealed in the State of Indiana, again I told him that Indiana allows open carry, it does not specify on the license. As he persisted I asked him to show me where in the law it says anything about concealed. He told me he did not have a book with the laws with him. We went back and forth while he waited for the license to be confirmed, where he said things like "This isnt Texas, you cant just walk around with a gun out in the open" to which I informed him that he is right, this is not Texas, Texas is a concealed only state.

A moment before the license came back confirmed, he begins to tell me that he wants me to cover it up and go to my car. I politely refused, unless he could show me where in the state law it said I had to. To that he simply said "I dont have to show you were it says that, I am telling you. Do you understand what I am telling you?" Again, I insisted that unless he could show me otherwise, I was not required to, and I would not. It is about this time that he started to get extremely rude. He called me a smart ass, belligerent, and a whimp. He also informed that Wal-Greens and any other store could tell me to leave because they certainly would not feel safe with some guy they did not know carrying a gun in there store. I told him that I would gladly leave, if the STORE told me to. When I emphasized store, I looked over at the clerk, and he shrugged.

My license came back confirmed, over the radio it was worded properly, but Officer Maxey seemed a bit to focused on me to even notice. They read it back as a "Lifetime personal protection license to carry handguns". No mention of the word concealed. Interesting. He insisted one more time that I cover it up before I went to my car. I took my license back from him, grabbed my soda and walked to my vehicle. I put the soda in the back, and told my fiance I would be back in just a moment.

I walked back to Wal-Greens to request his card. At that time he was thrilled to offer it to me one back at his vehicle, and was quick to mention that he had my name, and he would track me down when he found the law. The way he said it was clearly intended to be deliberately intimidating. Really professional. On the back to his cruiser he continued his unprofessionalism, saying I couldnt even shoot that thing, and any five year old girl could come up and take it from me. He insisted that I did not need a gun, and that I was being irresponsible since criminals would come up and take it from me. I tried to inform him that nationwide, there have not really been any instances of that happening. To that he replied "Why dont you quit being a smart ass, shut up, and listen to what I have to say?". I just shook my head.

We got to his car and he told me not to stand behind him. Fine, I can understand that one. I told him I would stand wherever he wanted me to. To that he replied "Your damn right you will!". I have already lost count how many unprofessional, snide, and rude remarks he has made. I asked him if he has a copy of the laws, and he says he only has the small version, but he would call someone at the station who could tell me. So he calls the station. He asks the person he called if they had a copy of the "full law book" handy. They apparently did not, so he asked if they knew off hand what the law was that required concealed carry. When he was told that there was none, he says frustrated "Well I know that isnt what the license says, but what is the state law?!" followed by "You mean that people can walk around and have their guns taken from them? This guy couldnt keep a five year old from taking his gun, and you mean to tell me that he can just do that? Oh, and he is standing right here, listening to everything I say, great." "Well, when did that change? We are going to have criminals with guns everywhere, just taking them from people!" I asked him if I could have one of his cards, and he says "No, the name is Maxey. That is M-A-X-E-Y. MAXEY!" "Am I free to go?" "Yeah, go get away."

While I am not thrilled that he did not know the law, he could have been a bit more polite about the entire thing. Insisting that I cant shoot, calling me a smart ass, and saying things like a five year old girl could take my gun away from me were just uncalled for. I am going to send a letter addressed to him as a followup, and I am going to include a nice laminated copy of the law. I am also going to follow up with a letter addressed to the South Bend police chief, not that it will do any good.

Lastly, Officer Maxey, I hope you somehow wind up reading this thread. Do you even recall how much of a power trip you were on? I am confident in my abilities, and I am confident that I can maintain a level head. You dont have to worry about law abiding citizens, and you cant make demands that arent warranted. You shouldnt have to resort to intimidation. That sort of behavior is uncalled for, and frankly makes me a bit worried about any individual who would do so while armed, even an officer like yourself.

Unfortunately we will see more and more of this.. people love power and (no I'm not defund the police movement) but they are people subject to corruption and the desire for power. As morality continues to decay, we will see more and more military, police and civilians willing to push their will on people and even willing to employ violence to do so. On a better note, you are 100% correct, Indiana is NOT conceal only state, it's been a long time debate among pro open carry and pro concealed (I say whatever you choose) and nicely done putting him in his place without escalating it. As I said I am not a "fefund the police " radical, I am conservative with alot of constitutional and libertarian leanings and I could lay out a plan that makes police and military virtually obsolete if citizens had their rights restored ... put it this way, I would rather take my chances defending myself against criminals than a heavily armed federal or state force.

 

[printcraft]

Regardless of how I spell his name, he is a nice guy. He know of this thread too.

Is he upset he can't harass the citizens about how they carry any longer?

Better yet, invite him to become a member here (it's free) and he can argue the merits of his position here.

There's even a thread ready to go...
https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/the-open-carry-argument.71996/

He will even have people agreeing with him I'm sure, so don't think it will be one sided.

 

[Goodcat]

Bump. On this Thanksgiving, I am thankful for Officer Maxey, may he be well and having his gun stripped out of his holster by a 5 year old girl. She is now 15.

 

[BigRed]

How old would that five year old girl be today?

Man Killed With His Own Gun After it Was Snatched from Holster

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/georgia-teen-steals-gun-from-dunkin-customer-shoots-him-to-death-in-the-parking-lot-reports/ar-AA17GxTV?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=a5ada63146cb4bc0a1b3dfbcdb458a3e Sounds like open carrier with a zero retention bag of holster. Remember folks, there is a...

www.texasguntalk.com

 

[Noble Sniper]

This is what popped into my head halfway thru your story…..

 

[jamil]

I think it’s good to acquaint or reacquaint people with the infamous INGO “wallet” thread.

 

[KellyinAvon]

How old would that five year old girl be today?

Man Killed With His Own Gun After it Was Snatched from Holster

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/georgia-teen-steals-gun-from-dunkin-customer-shoots-him-to-death-in-the-parking-lot-reports/ar-AA17GxTV?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=a5ada63146cb4bc0a1b3dfbcdb458a3e Sounds like open carrier with a zero retention bag of holster. Remember folks, there is a...

www.texasguntalk.com

Looking at the comments in that thread? Definitely folks who would fit in here.

 

[jagee]

Looking at the comments in that thread? Definitely folks who would fit in here.

@KJQ6945 is our liason

 

[BugI02]

How old would that five year old girl be today?

Man Killed With His Own Gun After it Was Snatched from Holster

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/georgia-teen-steals-gun-from-dunkin-customer-shoots-him-to-death-in-the-parking-lot-reports/ar-AA17GxTV?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=a5ada63146cb4bc0a1b3dfbcdb458a3e Sounds like open carrier with a zero retention bag of holster. Remember folks, there is a...

www.texasguntalk.com

And would she still identify as a girl?

 

[jamil]

Probably has purple hair. Identifies as some gender only crazy people on the toc tic know about.

 

[OneBadV8]

I think it’s good to acquaint or reacquaint people with the infamous INGO “wallet” thread.

some good stuff in here - https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/the-archives-classic-threads-of-ingo.475860/

 

[BigMoose]

Does anyone run a thumb break retention on their OC rig?

The USGI M12 holster type has the retention flap, horrible for actually getting the pistol out when you need it, which is why there is a thumb break snap replacement for it. Its got a big plastic flap you just bump with your thumb to open the snap.

 

[Gabriel]

Does anyone run a thumb break retention on their OC rig?

The USGI M12 holster type has the retention flap, horrible for actually getting the pistol out when you need it, which is why there is a thumb break snap replacement for it. Its got a big plastic flap you just bump with your thumb to open the snap.

Safariland ALS.

 

[CMB69]

I actually know Maxie and he's a pretty nice guy who's into military history. I'm think the whole thing was blown aay out of proportion, but I'm not going to go back and read 436 posts either.

This reminds me of something I saw on another forum board. Member there was white knighting for the Colorado police officer who left his patrol car parked on a railroad track with handcuffed suspect locked inside, then ignored approaching train horn. Suspect barely survived the impact and destruction of patrol car. White knight stated he knew the officer and claimed he was a christian, family man and all around good guy and did not deserve the criticism/ridicule being dished out.