13 year old boy gunned down by deputies...

[Destro]

I would like to live in the land of unicorns, rainbows and happy endings. If someone could provide me with a map it would be greatly appreciated.

The officers obviously should have shot the gun out of the boys hands while ensuring no bullet fragments struck his hands before taking him for ice cream and buying him a new, realistic toy AK47.

why didn't they use a taser instead?

 

[Lunati]

If they believed the weaponh was real (as I think anyone would), yes then they thought he was breaking the law. You can't OC in Cali.

If I saw a kid with a rifle and it was illegal to carry I would probably thing it was a toy gun. Not jump out of my car and shoot him when he turns around. I've seen lots of neighbor kids run around with BB guns and never felt in danger.

 

[ticktwrter]

I just can't get so many here with anti police feelings. Believe it or not but ALL officers are hired from the human race. Age of the other person does not matter. Look at the news just this week. A 12 year old shoots and kills a teacher, shoots school mates then kills himself. A 14 year old is arrested for killing a teacher. Here in South Bend we have had officers killed by teens one scum being Gregory Dickens who shot and killed Cpl. Paul Deguch in 1998. Folks, anyone I here should be smart enough to know that if the police are pointing a real gun at you that you do nothing to aggravate them. I don't speak a foreign language but if I were in Fance and a police officer pointed a gun and yelled at me in French, I surely wouldn't lift my fake gun and point it at them. These officers will live with the guilt of taking the life of a 13 year old for the rest of their lives and that is a life sentence. If any evidence comes forward probing thy were wrong, then the legal system should do what it is meant to do.

 

[HoughMade]

If I saw a kid with a rifle and it was illegal to carry I would probably thing it was a toy gun. Not jump out of my car and shoot him when he turns around. I've seen lots of neighbor kids run around with BB guns and never felt in danger.

You better hope you never face the situation. Your assumptions could leave you dead.

Lord knows, kids never carry real guns.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/21/justice/nevada-middle-school-shooting/

 

[ATM]

You better hope you never face the situation. Your assumptions could leave you dead...

No, his assumptions would leave all parties alive. He'd just keep driving and the kid would continue walking along not bothering anyone with his pellet gun.

 

[Destro]

No, his assumptions would leave all parties alive. He'd just keep driving and the kid would continue walking along not bothering anyone with his pellet gun.

talk is cheap

 

[ATM]

talk is cheap

My point would remain valid even if it was expensive.

There is no mention of the kid doing anything remotely threatening prior to being engaged by the officers. The most they were doing was investigating a non-threatening but illegal act in California.

 

[HoughMade]

You're right, that teacher who got killed in Nevada should have never intervened.

 

[Glock19]

Trayvon has a roommate.

Wow...REALLY? This is completely different than Trayvon...What kind of comment is that even.. Another kid is dead and this is a tragic accident and you joke about it like this?

 

[Goodcat]

This is clear cut self defense, if all happened as they said, I see nothing wrong with how the officers responded. Horrible, but I don't blame them.

 

[Destro]

My point would remain valid even if it was expensive.

There is no mention of the kid doing anything remotely threatening prior to being engaged by the officers. The most they were doing was investigating a non-threatening but illegal act in California.

Somebody felt threatened enough to call 911, and the situation seemed to require a lights/siren response

 

[ATM]

You're right, that teacher who got killed in Nevada should have never intervened.

You're the only one trying to equate this kid walking down the street with a gun to another kid who was shooting at people with a gun.

 

[ATM]

Somebody felt threatened enough to call 911, and the situation seemed to require a lights/siren response

Felt threatened enough to call 911? Hardly the definition of threatening.

 

[Libertarian01]

To All,

The same standards should apply to ALL people.

Zimmerman claimed self defense, and in the absence of evidence to the contrary must be believed as the sole eye witness.

Same goes for the police. Police claim self defense, the eye witness(es) must be believed in the absence of contradictory evidence.

What is good for the gander is good for the goose, at least as far as I am concerned.

Regards,

Doug

 

[jbombelli]

To All,

The same standards should apply to ALL people.

Zimmerman claimed self defense, and in the absence of evidence to the contrary must be believed as the sole eye witness.

Same goes for the police. Police claim self defense, the eye witness(es) must be believed in the absence of contradictory evidence.

What is good for the gander is good for the goose, at least as far as I am concerned.

Regards,

Doug

There were plenty of people around here condemning Zimmerman.

 

[Glock19]

Felt threatened enough to call 911? Hardly the definition of threatening.

Oh you witnessed what happened for the person to call 911? Please do tell us!

 

[ATM]

Oh you witnessed what happened for the person to call 911? Please do tell us!

I'm not even aware that there was any 911 call.

Regardless, incidents of people calling 911 for nonsense or bogus reasons are well documented. They may even describe how they felt threatened, but that alone does not define a threat.

 

[DragonGunner]

This is clear cut self defense, if all happened as they said, I see nothing wrong with how the officers responded. Horrible, but I don't blame them.

Agree....but the key word is ..."IF".....too many LEO's have lied in the past for me to put faith in their words. If the kid pointed it at them he had to be one stupid kid.....which from what I gather from Facebook could be true. Some who claim they have been in that area say the IQ of the people is about 68, and that goes for LEO's there too.

 

[Denny347]

Wow, lots of knucklehead ASSumptions going on here. Having been in a similar situation myself I can attest that REAL LIFE is 100% different than internet life. First, when I went though Combatives (defensive tactics) Instructor School sever years ago, we participated in a test (I wished we had videoed it). The test consisted of a cop and a bad guy holding a gun. The BG was holding it down at his side and the LEO had his pistol (training gun) pointed at the BG. The LEO was instructed to fire his "gun" when he sees the BG raise his gun up. Easy right? This is what YOU want the officer to do right? A dozen times we tried this, the bad guy was ALWAYS able to get a shot off before we perceived the threat and act on it. It was downright scary. LEO loses 100% of the time. We are relegated to luck in order survive a gunfight. Luck that allowed the first round to miss, or hit a non vital area. Before this training I was involved in a run where a drunk guy was in the common area of a multi unit house, firing off a gun. I get there and find him back there with a gun at his side. He had a blank stare when he was looking at me and ignoring my command to drop it. It was far enough along that I had actually taken the slack out of the trigger on my G22. He dropped the gun as I was about to fire on him. He was .5 secs away from getting dropped and come to find out his stupid .22 pistol had gone empty with the slide locked back. I could have 100% right in firing but the gun being empty with a slide locked back (I couldn't see that) would have locked me in civil court for years to come. The BG DOES NOT need to raise the gun up to get fired on. Refusing to drop it when ordered "could" be enough to warrant firing on. Lets not get stuck on the "raising the gun up" because it is not always necessary. No one here has enough facts to draw an informed opinion, even me so you don't see me taking sides. Lots of opinions being pulled out of dark places based on what they THINK is the law, or legal.

 

[Denny347]

Agree....but the key word is ..."IF".....too many LEO's have lied in the past for me to put faith in their words. If the kid pointed it at them he had to be one stupid kid.....which from what I gather from Facebook could be true. Some who claim they have been in that area say the IQ of the people is about 68, and that goes for LEO's there too.

I'm sure the involved officers are a bit bummed that you don't believe them.