2 new bills, 1 in House, 1 in Senate

[SSGSAD]

MODS, if this has been posted, please combine threads...
1 bill in In. House, and 1 in In. Senate, to require drug tests, if you are
collecting unemployment..... One comment, made ths morning, on Fox 59, was that it should be required for Welfare too... I AGREE... What do you all think... I have to take a drug test, to get a job, when involved in an accident, want your responses..... thanks in advance... Steve

 

[jdhaines]

Hell yes. If you have money for drugs then you don't need money from ME.

 

[indykid]

Hell yes. If you have money for drugs then you don't need money from ME.

This!

 

[level.eleven]

No.

I haven't fully analyzed my position but here goes. Unemployment is an insurance policy that you paid into while previously employed. Drug testing may not have been a prerequisite for your employment, thus your compensation. If you want to drug test for unemployment, allow the person to opt out of paying into it if they so choose.

Regarding welfare there is a easier, more cost effective solution. Aren't most welfare monies distributed in forms other than cash? Debit cards for food and utilities. There is no way to stop people from trading a debit card/food stamp/non-cash item for drugs. Is the intent of welfare, its end goal, to ultimately get the person off of welfare and into a job? Or, in its current state is simply to keep the poor from acting out? This is tougher than I thought....

 

[Disposable Heart]

Welfare is distributed via debit card in places like California, which seen a rise in "frivolous" expendatures. However, their studies have shown that even when restricting the places of business the debit cards could be used, people were exchanging things (example: I pay for someone's groceries, they give me drugs, etc....)

I will go out and agree with you on Unemployment: Everyone pays into this, but everyone is eligible if they are discharged correctly (under reasonable circumstances). I do not see anywhere where "drug usage at workplace" as reason for discharge as being an "okay" to certify the applicant to draw unemployment. If a guy loses his job due to a failed drug test, that is not reasonable reason to collect unemployment. Having worked in production management a few times, we have had crackhead who caused accidents get tested for drugs (company policy), then discharged, then try to collect unemployment. The state is pretty good at finding those out...

 

[INGunGuy]

I agree 100% you want welfare, food stamps, you provide me a urine sample, it comes up clean, get your check, if it comes up dirty, go to jail, get your kids taken away and put into foster care, loose your section 8, your GUBMINT paid for housing, food, utilities. Well except for what the jailcell will cost. Oh as far as unemployment I agree but only to a certain extent. We as the employee DONT pay unemployment insurance, our employer does. Now one could say that could be considered part of your benefit package, but it MUST be paid by the employer. Also, since we are on unemployment, which yes is insurance, would you also agree that if you want to collect social security, NO not disability, but social security, should you have to be drug tested to get your social security check.

INGunGuy

 

[vanillagorilla]

No one paid 3 years worth of unemployment while they were working. Some goody goodys want to make it even longer. They take my tax money and give it to someone to not work. The good book says if U dont work, U dont eat (or something like that).

 

[singlestacksig]

i'll agree on the no for unemployment, up to the limits of the insurance.. some people have been on unemployment longer than they held a job.

I agree with testing for welfare.. yes the goal is to help someone get off it.. but we can't pay for people to get wasted all day..

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Hell yes. If you have money for drugs then you don't need money from ME.

 

[level.eleven]

Welfare is distributed via debit card in places like California, which seen a rise in "frivolous" expendatures. However, their studies have shown that even when restricting the places of business the debit cards could be used, people were exchanging things (example: I pay for someone's groceries, they give me drugs, etc....)

I will go out and agree with you on Unemployment: Everyone pays into this, but everyone is eligible if they are discharged correctly (under reasonable circumstances). I do not see anywhere where "drug usage at workplace" as reason for discharge as being an "okay" to certify the applicant to draw unemployment. If a guy loses his job due to a failed drug test, that is not reasonable reason to collect unemployment. Having worked in production management a few times, we have had crackhead who caused accidents get tested for drugs (company policy), then discharged, then try to collect unemployment. The state is pretty good at finding those out...

Good post, particularly about the safeguards in place regarding being eligible for unemployment after a discharge. The solution to weaning a person off of welfare that has a substance abuse issue while getting resources to those who actually need it is certainly a more complex issue.

 

[1911 mike]

I am now retired, but when employed by the government I had to take random drug test at any time when (they) felt like it!! They would say, it's your lucky day, then I could not be left alone up until the test was taken. And then it had too be witnessed as I gave my sample. Now if I had too, so should they!! In order to keep my job, so should they too get free money. ??

 

[ghostinthewood]

I think thats fair but I don't think the majority of the people who need government assistance are on drugs and I do not look down on those less fortunate.

However, it seems that the more colorful characters have created a stereotype for those people. Hopefully this will weed some those who are abusing the system out.

One stipulation, I wouldn't want to subject anyone to any test that goes too back in to their past. Lots of people try things and decide against them. I would also hope that they spent the money to drug test for heavier drugs instead of wasting it on marijuana, but I'm sure most will disagree with me and I'm willing to accept that.

Going more off of what the poster above me said, I don't see why politicians aren't tested. I don't look down on them either, nor do I say that in spite, but honestly the decisions they make can effect us just as much as others who are required to take drug tests. On top of that, many politicians openly talk about "former" drug use so I don't think it is uncalled for.

 

[Beau]

wow. Just something else to waste tax money on.

 

[spearheadersarge]

I've stated many times, gettin free money (welfare/unemployment) you should have to do community service (20hrs min) to get your check. I'm all for drug testing also! Fail the test it's gov't rehab for you and no more money till you're drug free! We have got incentivize unemployment and welfare to make it unattractive for people to remain on it. Why do people not look for work? They know they have 150 weeks of unemployment that's why! They only apply to places that they know they won't be hired at or for positions they aren't qualified for. There needs to be some qualifiers that if you violate your pay for the week is voided! Granted most people really try to find work but there is a fair amount who are riding the system for their benefit.

 

[rambone]

I don't think the government should be in the blood and urine sampling business. And it shouldn't be in the unemployment insurance business either. End both of these ridiculous programs and the War on Drugs.

You can't correct socialism by instituting fascism. Just like with the idea to put people in Forced Labor Camps if they receive state benefits. Get rid of the benefits -- don't make us into serfs.

Not only are we fostering the "entitlement" mentality for all these years, but we are progressively moving towards the "Government owns me" mentality. Cops are performing blood-draw checkpoints in the streets, and now we are teaching the citizens at large to **** where the government orders them to ****.

If you want a country of productive individualists again, this will not achieve that end. This will make people even more used to the idea of being bossed around and feeling good about it. If this Congress is so "Conservative" they would privatize Unemployment Insurance and knock down these entitlement programs.

And I have to ask... how long before Mom & Pop are giving the government body fluid samples to receive their Social Security payments that they were taxed for their entire lives? You guys need to see the slope that this bright idea is sliding down.

 

[E5RANGER375]

why dont we just make people on unemployement show up for state work details? if you want paid, you work for it. could be handing out broshures at a rest stop or it could be picking up trash, or showing up to a job search seminar. surely we can think of something other than here's your check, enjoy your couch.

I dont support drug laws and I surely dont support invasion of privacy through drug test. so I will look for another way to solve this issue.
but in my opinion if you wanna find the quickest way to get rid of a faker, then make him earn his money and watch him run away.

 

[ghostinthewood]

why dont we just make people on unemployement show up for state work details? if you want paid, you work for it. could be handing out broshures at a rest stop or it could be picking up trash, or showing up to a job search seminar. surely we can think of something other than here's your check, enjoy your couch.

I dont support drug laws and I surely dont support invasion of privacy through drug test. so I will look for another way to solve this issue.
but in my opinion if you wanna find the quickest way to get rid of a faker, then make him earn his money and watch him run away.

Yea I don't understand why we don't have programs job search seminars, resume building, etc. I think thats fair that you show up to stuff like that and you get your money.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Yea I don't understand why we don't have programs job search seminars, resume building, etc. I think thats fair that you show up to stuff like that and you get your money.

oh, they have them. they just dont make them mandatory like they should. I dont like the govt programs that hand out money or food to begin with, but if they are gonna be here then I wanna make sure they arent abused. I dont have a problem with a person using it to sustain life while they get another job. but the people who refuse to go find work because they know the "check is in the mail" should be beat, and then forced to pay it back..

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

I can agree with the welfare, but have mixed feelings on unemployment. A lot of construction workers are laid off during this time of year. They pay into it, their employer pays into it through out the year in what is called unemployment insurance. Then what the insurance does not cover your employer GENERALLY makes up for by paying a bill to the state.

 

[Hotdoger]

They pay into it, their employer pays into it through out the year in what is called unemployment insurance..

As an employer for 25 years I never had 1 employee pay into "it" .