54 MPG requirement by model year 2025!

[spec4]

IMO the govt has no business dictating this. It should be the free market, not the nannystate. Why not make it 1000 mpg? Then we would really cut emissions and save oil. Liberals and their goal of destroying freedom are disgusting. Rant off.

 

[$mooth]

1) Let the market decide, not the govt.
2) We can't compare Euro vehicles directly as their testing cycle is different than ours. 67MPG Ford Focus Diesel would be much less here.(Honda Insight on Euro cycle gets 78.4 mpg-us, but "only" 70 mpg-us on the EPA cycle)
Some manufacturers have resorted to Urea injections into the exhaust to make the emissions meet US standards.
3) Older cars used to get great fuel economy partly because of significantly reduced weight. My first car,1989 Honda Civic, would avg around 40mpg driving inside the beltway of DC. With all the new safety features, modern cars are starting to use more expensive materials to keep weight in check. Others (I'm looking at you GM and Dodge), just haven't bothered.
4) We're actually doing better than the EPA numbers show, and that's because the test dictates the numbers have to be the worse "mode" for the vehicle. So if a car has 3 Throttle/Transmission mappings, say Sport, Normal and Eco, the test has to be done in Sport. So the new Civic HF that's listed at 41mpg, will easily beat those numbers if you leave it in Eco.

 

[edporch]

This law needs to mandate that the Presidential limousine and every other vehicles used to transport our government officials MUST get 54 mpg too.

I'm sick of these hypocrites mandating one standard for us, and exempting themselves from it.

 

[semperfi211]

So this is what we will be driving in a few years.

 

[ATOMonkey]

There is one very simple reason that old cars get better fuel economy. Weight is one reason, but NOx emissions is the biggy.

When you run hot and lean, and get great fuel economy, you make a LOT of NOx emissions.

The 2011 NOx requirements are .07 g/mi for what the EPA calls "light duty" vehicles.

In 1984 the Cali requirement was 1.2 g/mi.

The projected requirements are lower, I'm sure.

What that means is that you have to burn your gasoline cooler at lower pressures. That reduces fuel economy and efficiency.

 

[NYFelon]

No self respecting American male wants to drive a 3 cylinder 1.2 liter diesel with a "turbo" the size of a tea saucer.

The Euro-Fiesta is something like 1.5 liters, and makes less than 90 horsepower at the flywheel. Good luck safely merging onto ANY American interstate with that flintstone mobile.

 

[ATOMonkey]

You'll drive it and you'll like it!!!!

 

[UncleMike]

With the price of gas now, why wait? By then, gas will be $15 a gallon.

The better mileage that American cars get, the higher the price of gas goes to make up for the loss of volume.
When I was a teenager the average cars got 8-13 MPG.
Gas was $.48 a gallon.
Todays cars get anywhere from 22-42 MPG.
Gas is $3.65 a gallon.
The Oil Companies are going to keep the same, or higher, profit margin regardless of the mileage rates.
They will raise the price every time the mileage rates go up.
That's been their Operating Plan since day one.

 

[NYFelon]

You'll drive it and you'll like it!!!!

Negative. I'll ride my motorcycle, get better mileage and still out accelerate
most cars.

 

[jeremy]

Government is enabling it.

Can you imagine the Wright brothers trying to build a plane with all these stupid agencies we have to contend with today? LOL! Good luck with that.

Might be a reason why there has been no new Tech in awhile...

 

[Kutnupe14]

This law needs to mandate that the Presidential limousine and every other vehicles used to transport our government officials MUST get 54 mpg too.

I'm sick of these hypocrites mandating one standard for us, and exempting themselves from it.

Yeah, cause it would be totally bada$$ to have a mini-gun mounted in limo

 

[sadclownwp]

The better mileage that American cars get, the higher the price of gas goes to make up for the loss of volume.
When I was a teenager the average cars got 8-13 MPG.
Gas was $.48 a gallon.
Todays cars get anywhere from 22-42 MPG.
Gas is $3.65 a gallon.
The Oil Companies are going to keep the same, or higher, profit margin regardless of the mileage rates.
They will raise the price every time the mileage rates go up.
That's been their Operating Plan since day one.

Some times, I hate when you are right.

 

[lovemachine]

I'll still stay with my gas guzzling Jeep.

 

[beararms1776]

The better mileage that American cars get, the higher the price of gas goes to make up for the loss of volume.
When I was a teenager the average cars got 8-13 MPG.
Gas was $.48 a gallon.
Todays cars get anywhere from 22-42 MPG.
Gas is $3.65 a gallon.
The Oil Companies are going to keep the same, or higher, profit margin regardless of the mileage rates.
They will raise the price every time the mileage rates go up.
That's been their Operating Plan since day one.

Thanks!

 

[Jake46184]

Barack Hussein will be long gone by then (with any luck, he'll still be in a federal prison by then) and the GOP will hopefully have eliminated the EPA, DOE, and repealed this nonsense.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it.

 

[gunman41mag]

The better mileage that American cars get, the higher the price of gas goes to make up for the loss of volume.
When I was a teenager the average cars got 8-13 MPG.
Gas was $.48 a gallon.
Todays cars get anywhere from 22-42 MPG.
Gas is $3.65 a gallon.
The Oil Companies are going to keep the same, or higher, profit margin regardless of the mileage rates.
They will raise the price every time the mileage rates go up.
That's been their Operating Plan since day one.

I think the last time gas was $.48 a gallon, people were driving the FORD MODEL T

 

[UncleMike]

I think the last time gas was $.48 a gallon, people were driving the FORD MODEL T

 

[cbseniour]

Remember the early 80's when a new Malibu with a 305 v8 could make 105 hp.
Here we go again.

 

[gunowner930]

There is one very simple reason that old cars get better fuel economy. Weight is one reason, but NOx emissions is the biggy.

When you run hot and lean, and get great fuel economy, you make a LOT of NOx emissions.

The 2011 NOx requirements are .07 g/mi for what the EPA calls "light duty" vehicles.

In 1984 the Cali requirement was 1.2 g/mi.

The projected requirements are lower, I'm sure.

What that means is that you have to burn your gasoline cooler at lower pressures. That reduces fuel economy and efficiency.

^This is a pretty good summary of how the Feds are trying to fix problems that they have created.

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

Barack Hussein will be long gone by then (with any luck, he'll still be in a federal prison by then) and the GOP will hopefully have eliminated the EPA, DOE, and repealed this nonsense.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it.

Seriously? Federal prison? Maybe he and Bush should be cell mates then, they were both awful Presidents, had questionable ethics, and really expedited the countries eventual Titanic type collision with an iceburg.