False equivalency, more like monitoring books and magazines read or listening to the kids having a party in the basement. Their internet, texts, messages, and postings are not private like a diary. If they want a digital diary it is a private document not something sent to others.
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Active shooter situation at Noblesville West Middle School
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False equivalency, more like monitoring books and magazines read or listening to the kids having a party in the basement. Their internet, texts, messages, and postings are not private like a diary. If they want a digital diary it is a private document not something sent to others.
On second thought, you are right. However, when looking at their texts and internet sites, what are we expecting to find?
I doubt snooping on what your kid does helps. It just adds more walls on teaching your kid. It's the values that are thought is what gives more impact. Most of us grew not having parents hover over what we do but we were thought values. If my parents were helicopter parents, I'd detest them. One thing that's missing nowadays is the disciplinary actions, accountability of their actions that brings them down to reality. Humility is gone.
It's communication and implimenting rules as they're growing up. Just teaching the value and hardship of life. Parents setting as an example is also a big factor as kids look up to them. Each and everyone of us is a result of our experience with our parents.
It's communication and implimenting rules as they're growing up. Just teaching the value and hardship of life. Parents setting as an example is also a big factor as kids look up to them. Each and everyone of us is a result of our experience with our parents.
Well.....if we are looking we will find what we expected to most likely.
Thank the powers this was not a thing when my kids were in school.
This. Same with my daughter.
I'm not up my kids ass but I will be knee deep in her **** if she ****s up.
I'm there for my kids but I'm not their friend. Im their dad.
My wife and I have two kids. A boy that is 15 and a girl that is 13. Our boy was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes at the age of nine. He is incredibly responsible, has a an amazing head on his shoulders, is well liked at school but not in the “popular” crowd and especially well liked by the staff at the school for his manners and just being known as a “great kid”. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard from teachers, nurses, staff and other parents what a great kid he is. I trust him wholeheartedly with anything. He knows how to make good decisions and I have no worries that he will stay out of trouble. Of course he does the usual teenager crap like ding dong ditch etc. but I have no worries that he will end up behind the wheel drunk or taking drugs.
On the other hand, our 13 yo daughter is a different story. She has been raised exactly like our son. Lots of love, teaching consequences of actions, we are very present and “in-tuned” to their lives and always there for them if we need them. However, our daughter is weak when it comes to temptation. I fear she will succumb to peer pressure easily. She has had her phone taken away a few times for visiting websites we have forbidden and lying about it. She is not allowed to have her phone in her bedroom at night while she is sleeping. She tends to be attracted to bad behavior. She does get A’s and B’s in school. She is well liked by her peers and the teachers and staff at school. So why is she so different than our son? We don’t trust her to make good decisions and I fear what is in store for her when she gets to high school and is tempted with drugs or other bad behaviors. Obviously all kids are different even if raised under the same exact circumstances.
I know we all need to focus on the hero’s of the Noblesville shooting and any school shooting for that matter and not sensationalize the shooter but... we need to understand what went wrong. We need to know what prompted this child to take two guns to school and shoot a teacher and another child. How do we prevent this from happening? We don’t prevent it by focusing on the hero’s unfortunately. We prevent it by helping those kids that have the slightest incline to do something like this. It was said above by the gentleman that volunteers at his grandchild’s school. He noticed immediately who was surprised to see a male helping out at school. Surely the teachers know which kids are headed down the wrong path.
Where are the kids that have shot up schools in the past? The ones that didn’t take the coward way out and shoot themselves in the head. Are they sorry for what they did? Are they in jail? Juvey? If they’ve somehow turned their lives around, I want to hear about it. The hero’s will always be hero’s but maybe the perpetrators can help shed some light on why this is/has happening/happened.
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On the other hand, our 13 yo daughter is a different story. She has been raised exactly like our son. Lots of love, teaching consequences of actions, we are very present and “in-tuned” to their lives and always there for them if we need them. However, our daughter is weak when it comes to temptation. I fear she will succumb to peer pressure easily. She has had her phone taken away a few times for visiting websites we have forbidden and lying about it. She is not allowed to have her phone in her bedroom at night while she is sleeping. She tends to be attracted to bad behavior. She does get A’s and B’s in school. She is well liked by her peers and the teachers and staff at school. So why is she so different than our son? We don’t trust her to make good decisions and I fear what is in store for her when she gets to high school and is tempted with drugs or other bad behaviors. Obviously all kids are different even if raised under the same exact circumstances.
I know we all need to focus on the hero’s of the Noblesville shooting and any school shooting for that matter and not sensationalize the shooter but... we need to understand what went wrong. We need to know what prompted this child to take two guns to school and shoot a teacher and another child. How do we prevent this from happening? We don’t prevent it by focusing on the hero’s unfortunately. We prevent it by helping those kids that have the slightest incline to do something like this. It was said above by the gentleman that volunteers at his grandchild’s school. He noticed immediately who was surprised to see a male helping out at school. Surely the teachers know which kids are headed down the wrong path.
Where are the kids that have shot up schools in the past? The ones that didn’t take the coward way out and shoot themselves in the head. Are they sorry for what they did? Are they in jail? Juvey? If they’ve somehow turned their lives around, I want to hear about it. The hero’s will always be hero’s but maybe the perpetrators can help shed some light on why this is/has happening/happened.
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Sometimes you just gotta beat dat ass
Opportunities to teach, guide, and shape young thinking.
The Internet and all of the variant apps are equal to my dad dropping me off in Times Square as a young teen.
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Indeed.
I'm not poopoo'ing anyone who parent's this way. However, this would actually be counterproductive with our family. Don't get me wrong, I have the passwords for my kids' phones and accounts if I need them and they know it. But I don't go looking for trouble without cause. So far, so good. The internet is not Times Sq of the 70's-80's. The internet is information. You are not going to get robbed, raped, assaulted, killed, surfing the net. I understand what you are trying to say though.
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Not sure I would agree. Child pornography, grooming and sex trafficking is very much alive and well on the internet.
^ this
We are going round and round with the GD for giving out her info to anyone who asks... "But they said they were 13"
Today my daughter and I went to the optional counseling sessions at the High School. I went just to be a part of the process. She is having issues sleeping. One thing that made an impact was the statement that this event is now woven into the fabric of my life. I had not considered that the next shooting would possibly bring up emotions from Friday's tragic school shooting. I talked with the Superintendent for Noblesville Schools. As with everyone involved at the school level, she was interested, honest and hopeful for the future. She mentioned that she has over 1000 emails from parents in her inbox. I knew she could not discuss details or any info. from an "after action" report as discussing findings or changes in proceedures would compromise security. One last thing that did not occur to me was the July 4th events and how fireworks can be triggering noises. Turns out that sensory emotion, not just sight, can bring a student right back to the event in there still developing minds.
I am hopeful you child and the others affected can find some level of Closure here. This is something we to often do not address.
Life happens, bad **** happens. If you are alive and you didn't get shot or see someone get shot then you charge forward and move on. If you are in a store and it gets robbed you cant shut down, you have to keep going.
If someone whos your best friend in school dies In a car wreck, you move forward. You must live.
Sometimes in this world we coddle too much and force people into sadness and depression.
I'm not directing this at the member here above or anyone specific. I'm just making a point that I think as a society we are becoming wimps and the world we live in is going to get worse before it gets better.
If someone whos your best friend in school dies In a car wreck, you move forward. You must live.
Sometimes in this world we coddle too much and force people into sadness and depression.
I'm not directing this at the member here above or anyone specific. I'm just making a point that I think as a society we are becoming wimps and the world we live in is going to get worse before it gets better.
I don't see a problem moving forward. Heck, my parts for a new 300 blkout pistol arrived today and I moved forward with that!! I agree to a point that people are softer these days... I'm not sensitive to the comments from a member here. I was just adding to the conversation...
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Right. It’s not just the values that are important. You can teach your kids to value life all you want. You can be the perfect role model for those values. Doesn’t hold up if you don’t provide training for how to cope with life. A child’s life should be appropriately challenging throughout their upbringing. Hard enough to learn resilience and competence, but not harder than they can bear. And for crying out loud, if your kid shoots people because some girl rejected him. You failed as a dad.
The blonde next to him in the video is my cousin.
https://www.facebook.com/WRTV6/videos/10155843491644092/
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