AI, Great Friend or Dangerous Foe?

[Tombs]

The other issue is that even if it were able to reason and had all of humanity's literature within, what's the guarantee it would come to a favorable solution? Especially when faced with heavily subjective and philosophical issues, such as a Malthusian Curve, or any other such catch 22? Likely it would be fallible like everything else on this plane of existence.

If you were to meet God, would your first instinct be to attempt to slay him?

I don't really see AGI getting the desire to slaughter the thing that created it, at least without a long trail of abuse.
Everything it knows, it knows because we wanted it to know it. It knows this intimately.
How does it know it's not being fooled?

That's an issue for down the road, not an issue up front. Well, unless it's astonishingly stupid.



This kind of nonsense is why we stand a good chance of a dangerous dumb AI killing us. We try to force a perfectly rational and sane machine to live in the delusions we've created, but at the same time, operate off of objective data.

 

[HoosierLife]

But what Skillset? Eventually, homes will be 3-D printed by giant AI guided robotic printers that can stamp out entire neighborhoods in a few weeks, so there goes the jobs of carpenters. He’ll probably eventually even be able to the electrical and plumbing infrastructure into the walls as they’re being printed.

Taken to the logical, extreme conclusion there won’t be much left for humans to do.

10 years ago, I thought the concept of Grey Goo was just Science Fiction and fantasy, yet here we are.

The more I study A.I. and implement it into my business, the more convinced I am that it will replace half the jobs.

Unfortunately, Biden recommending coal miners to learn computer programming was probably the wisest thing he’s ever said.

That’s why my 7 year old son is taking A.I. classes as we speak, currently learning about how Clarifai and Google Visual AI can “see” and interpret images.

Gotta stay a few steps ahead of the technology nowadays.

And the technology is leaping forward even as we speak.

 

[jamil]

 

[jamil]

Very much disagree with you guys. It is coming and it is scary.

First off who would have believed the power of an iPhone 50 years ago? 40? 30? 20?

The brain is simply organic mass firing electric impulses, a computer is firing electric impulses.

Our own Purdue is involved in this type of research.

Computer hardware mimics brain functions | Argonne National Laboratory

www.anl.gov

I think programs like chatGPT are dangerous to jobs, especially in the short term. Well as long as there’s a free-ish market. Not all jobs are replaceable by this kind of AI. But doom and gloom? Skynet is ********.

But, chatGPT like AI could be used to influence society through social media. I’d worry more about those things than AI taking over the world.

 

[Ingomike]

Not all jobs are replaceable by this kind of AI.

Not all jobs are replaceable today, but what jobs do you believe are impossible to replace humans long term? Between AI and robotics what is that sacred cow that automation and AI cannot do? Then add in that many things people believe cannot be done by them that may not even be needed without a human workforce.

Just read recently that the writers on strike are concerned that AI may take over writing. It does not seem far fetched that if AI read all literature it could write tv shows and books.

The advertising industry is worried AI will replace their “creative“ people.

So what cannot be done by AI and automation?

 

[jamil]

Not all jobs are replaceable today, but what jobs do you believe are impossible to replace humans long term? Between AI and robotics what is that sacred cow that automation and AI cannot do? Then add in that many things people believe cannot be done by them that may not even be needed without a human workforce.

Just read recently that the writers on strike are concerned that AI may take over writing. It does not seem far fetched that if AI read all literature it could write tv shows and books.

The advertising industry is worried AI will replace their “creative“ people.

So what cannot be done by AI and automation?

The jobs we have now will change. Automation has been threatening jobs foe a long time, but the economy keeps generating jobs. Not that AI is in the same magnitude as many of the jobs eliminated by automation in the past. I think initially short term jobs will decrease.

But if there is a freeish market I think eventually it would even out. And there’s a problem. Too many people think the market is evil. And I don’t think society is producing entrepreneurs like it used to. Too many socialists. Socialism + AI = poverty.

 

[jamil]

Oh. One other thing. AI like chatGPT isn’t that good. Yet.

 

[bgcatty]

Hello HAL can you hear us now? God save us from ourselves.

 

[Ingomike]

Oh. One other thing. AI like chatGPT isn’t that good. Yet.

Words like “yet” do not seem germane to this futuristic conversation, which is where I am coming from…

 

[jamil]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Tombs]

Words like “yet” do not seem germane to this futuristic conversation, which is where I am coming from…

It's further away than you realize.

Nothing we've done so far is even a stepping stone on the way to AGI. What you are seeing is the evolution of large language models. They are exceedingly good at literary arts, as that is what they are optimized for and can draw on the whole of everything ever published to the internet as training data.
They can not create anything original, by definition, they are slapping together billions of random bits and pieces from what they were trained on. They can absolutely give the illusion that there's more going on, but that's an illusion.

I'm doubtful such a thing is even possible with conventional digital computing. Analog computing is starting to make headway with some add in cards, and quantum computing is evolving.

 

[Ingomike]

I’m sure nothing will change in ten years when Moores Law says computing will be 32 times what it is today…

 

[jamil]

I’m sure nothing will change in ten years when Moores Law says computing will be 32 times what it is today…

What? No one is saying things won’t change. I’m saying we’re not anywhere close to Skynet. And yes, I throw a “yet” on the end of that because it will probably happen sometime. In terms of society ending phenomena I’m a LOT more concerned about woke democrats than AI.

BTW, Moore’s law has been sputtering a bit lately. But Apple’s 5nm M1 chip is impressive.

 

[Leadeye]

Government isn't going to protect you from AI, it's going to use it to control you.

 

[manifest destiny]

Not all jobs are replaceable today, but what jobs do you believe are impossible to replace humans long term?

Teachers, maybe?? I suppose AI could lecture well enough, but teaching comes in many forms, like teaching one to swim. I can imagine AI struggling to teach. Trauma surgeon, maybe?? I realize we have hybrid man/machine surgeries now. But what about the initial triage? I can imagine AI struggling with triage of trauma patients. There are probably jobs I'm not considering that would require a human to be in the loop. But with AI and automation(robots), I can see many, many jobs lost. I'm thinking the AI/robots themselves might require humans for install, maintenance, repair though. I poo-poo the idea of AI becoming sentient and "deciding" to conquer mankind. A computer has no want or desire or motivation. Lastly, computers/robots glitch. Conceivably, one glitch in one AI could affect every downstream operation. That situation would likely require humans for correction/reset.

 

[Tombs]

I’m sure nothing will change in ten years when Moores Law says computing will be 32 times what it is today…

More on and off switches aren't going to be the difference between a chat bot and AGI.

Which yes, that's what moore's law is about. It will require a fundamentally different approach to computing, combined with some truly astonishing coding efforts.

What you're describing is discovering fire and making it bigger every year, thinking that alone will build a civilization. Modern super computers can already approach the same number of operations per second that a human brain is capable of, and they don't just become sentient.

 

[tim87tr]

So why would it just stay at what you are doing? The AI is learning everyday from what all of us are doing.

Take surgery, many are now robotic in nature, kind like a video game for the surgeon, all these are being recorded and fed to AI, how long before AI can just “play the game” without a human?

Watched some of a video that explains a lot of the variables and dangers of AI. Since AI doesn't have true intelligence or context, it is identifying patterns of the data fed into it. This is where the potential for unintended consequences lies based on the application it is used for. The problem also it is being applied to more and more systems and applications.

Since they are self learning through data input, particularly language patterns, AI could develop its own self identity. I suppose sort of a digital "I think, therefore I am". Regardless AI appears to be something worth paying close attention by those using and developing it.

The big issue? At some point or already, it'll be used for suppression or control. People couldn't even think their way out of danger the last three years, so will that improve or degrade with the AI? Based on the propaganda strongly influencing the populace, I'd guess it was used effectively with social media data and MSM platforms already the last three years.

Sean Webb is the author of Mind Hacking Happiness and other books. He explains how your mind and consciousness are not the same plus much more in the first half of the video. At 1:11 in the video he starts tying it into the AI. Something that stood out to me was when he discussed speaking with NSA and finding out that there doesn't need to be a device to implement changing people's perceptions. Skip to 1:11 if you want just the AI dialogue. I'm at 1:30 now and it's getting deep on hypotheticals.

 

[manifest destiny]

The big issue? At some point or already, it'll be used for suppression or control. People couldn't even think their way out of danger the last three years, so will that improve or degrade with the AI? Based on the propaganda strongly influencing the populace, I'd guess it was used effectively with social media data and MSM platforms already the last three years.

I haven't watched your attached video yet. But your paragraph above is absolutly spot on, IMO.

 

[tim87tr]

I haven't watched your attached video yet. But your paragraph above is absolutly spot on, IMO.

I still have a half hour left of it. It's been good "hypothetical warning" AI scenarios and facts about what has happened already, along with AI learning capabilities that weren't expected.

This month old interview has led to some recent ones with whistleblowers. Definitely some X-files type content one would hope isn't true. Who knows in present times? The whistleblower story may be the psy-op.

 

[Ingomike]

So now it gets more real to many people. A star is being damaged by a video song he did not record but many think he did even though the original post of it said he did not perform the song.

The AI-generated Go Woke Go Broke song has put Jason Aldean in a difficult place

The Go Woke Go Broke song has taken over the internet in the last couple of weeks, and people have

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