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[jamil]

Except the "nimrod" merging late is actually doing it right.
[video=youtube_share;35byJxDIX88]http://youtu.be/35byJxDIX88[/video]

Everyone has to be on board with "zipper-merging" or it doesn't really work. BTW, I got flamed for advocating that a couple of years ago. People think if you don't get in the "right" lane early, you're cheating. So as long as people react to "zipper-mergers" as cheaters, it will cause the same traffic flow problems as early-merging.

But. Think of this. When automated cars are commonplace, they'll likely zipper-merge, because they won't have the selfish proclivity for "how dare you cut in front of me after I've spent 45 minutes in this line because I merged in 2 miles ago." No. They'll negotiate with other cars to alternate merging (zipper-merge) because that's the most efficient way, and they're not self-important.

 

[jamil]

Very good. Repped.



I believe that the consensus of opinion is that you are wrong.

There's not a consensus of opinion. There's a plurality though. And yes, most people are self-important people who think you must be responsible. Get in the lane early. And honk and scream at people who use all the available lanes until they can't. And it's not like the "zippers" are being all that selfless either. They're often quite reckless and cut in front of people in a way which causes those people to break and cause the accordion traffic effect. Zipper merging can't work unless people stop being selfish and cutting in, and stop being selfish and closing people out.

In other words, it is a solution-less problem with humans. The only way to solve it is with autonomous vehicles who don't give a flying **** if people merge in.

 

[2A_Tom]

OK, I'll accept that.

 

[Wstar425]

In Minnesota they have signs that say “use both lanes to merge point” or something to that effect. I’d say it is about 50/50 effective, but I guess they are trying to encourage it.

 

[BugI02]

Everyone has to be on board with "zipper-merging" or it doesn't really work. BTW, I got flamed for advocating that a couple of years ago. People think if you don't get in the "right" lane early, you're cheating. So as long as people react to "zipper-mergers" as cheaters, it will cause the same traffic flow problems as early-merging.

But. Think of this. When automated cars are commonplace, they'll likely zipper-merge, because they won't have the selfish proclivity for "how dare you cut in front of me after I've spent 45 minutes in this line because I merged in 2 miles ago." No. They'll negotiate with other cars to alternate merging (zipper-merge) because that's the most efficient way, and they're not self-important.

If the late mergers wait until they have to merge at a speed below the average speed of the early adopter lane, then they are in fact ****ing it up for everybody. And they're greedy; I'd be perfectly willing to zipper merge (which means only letting one car in ahead of me) if it doesn't slow me down. If i'm going to be brought to a standstill anyway, **** 'em

 

[2A_Tom]

Zipper merging is a good idea. I would have no problem with it if others were on the same sheet of music.

 

[Brad69]

Zipper merging is “Science” that does not take in human nature of standing in line or queue. As a young child we are taught to stand in line and take our turn for common good this is a survival technique. Human survival depended on sharing food so we evolved to stand in line and wait so “line jumpers” got a beat down. Go to any Wal Mart and watch this evolving survival trait.

Note: My observations of zipper mergers is not based on fact or research like much of the internet.

AOC was place into office by the “Justice Democrats” who want to rebuild the Democratic Party into a Socialist entity, they also backed other notable candidates. AOC IMO will “jump the shark” with future comments as will her allies. Some of the comments are intended to keep them in the news cycle.
https://ballotpedia.org/Justice_Democrats

 

[MCgrease08]

I believe that the consensus of opinion is that you are wrong.

Certainly wouldn't be the first time.

I also agree that zipper merging only really works when everyone is on board and playing the game by the same rules.

Once the SJWs finish convincing the country to factor equality into every action, we'll finally have the Utopia in which zipper merging works.

 

[BugI02]

I will, however, consider that it might be skill at merging with zippers that got AOC where she is today

 

[2A_Tom]

The last few posts have been enlightening as to human nature.

 

[Brad69]

BF
How did you guys merge back in the horse and buggy days?

 

[BugI02]

The last few posts have been enlightening as to human nature.

You are likely far more confident in your ability to take accurate data and draw valid conclusions than I am, then

 

[2A_Tom]

BF
How did you guys merge back in the horse and buggy days?

The roads were one lane and usually muddy. The problem was when you met someone going in the opposite direction.

 

[jamil]

If the late mergers wait until they have to merge at a speed below the average speed of the early adopter lane, then they are in fact ****ing it up for everybody. And they're greedy; I'd be perfectly willing to zipper merge (which means only letting one car in ahead of me) if it doesn't slow me down. If i'm going to be brought to a standstill anyway, **** 'em

The traffic in the lane that ends early is normally faster than the traffic in the lane being merged into. The problem is one of volume. Trying to fit all the cars taking up two lanes, into one lane, is going to cause traffic to slow. If it were up to AI, optimized for most efficient traffic flow, there’d be none of the human failures of ability and nature to slow things down. What you call “early adopter” and I call “selfish, doesn’t work because it’s more susceptible to accordion affect. There will always be “late adapters”. Zipper merging solves that if everyone lets people in. But it’s not perfect because there are always selfish *******s who don’t want anyone to merge in front of them. And so that slows traffic.

I do agree that if we’re gonna do zipper merge, it needs to be alternating. I don’t mind letting someone in, earlier or later. But c’mon. Just because I let one person in, thst doesn’t mean two or three.

 

[2A_Tom]

Human nature = selfishness.

I usually leave plenty of space in front of me and try to use the center or right lane. Every day someone will get right on my tail and try to push me to go faster. Whereas I am usually flowing with traffic (several mph over posted limits) I just continue driving at the same speed. If they get too close I will take my foot off the accelerator. This usually gets them to pass me and signify their IQ.

 

[2A_Tom]

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[Brad69]

AOC is controlled by then same handlers as Omar, Tlaib and Others so when we speak of AOC we are actually talking about the “collective”!

They even have a logo!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Democrats

 

[KG1]

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I believe she did say “never again” which means that she WAS comparing illegal migrant detention facilities to nazi concentration camps.

Because Trump and the Republicans are nazis after all.

 

[Dead Duck]

I haven't used the zipper merge since my girlfriend changed to button fly.

 

[actaeon277]

It makes me think of when the interstate is being funneled into a single lane. Everyone who has any gray matter merges into the appropriate lane and some nimrod guns it and charges down toward the blocked lane and the "merges" causing the whole pattern to come to a stop.

Who doesn't want that yahoo to be sent back to kindergarten to start again?

I HATE those guys.