App for police to track illegal gun owners.

[Cameramonkey]

No, I think if you're already stopped for something else, and they find a gun on you or in your vehicle, they can then use this app to see if you're a proper person. If you are, then the gun isn't an issue (assuming you didn't use it in the commission of a crime). Before constitutional carry, they could just check to see if you had a LTCH. Can't necessarily do that any longer.

I believe this is what the purpose is. And I like it when limited to this scope. There should be a way to know this info just like NICS can in moments.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Let’s hope that we’re beyond that bridge with past court decisions. But let’s say they stop you for running a stop sign and while checking your license and registration they notice a gun in the car. When they run your info and it came back flagged as a non-proper person, they’d now have reason to do something about you having that gun with you.

And my understanding is somebody will have to sort through court case after court case after court case and carefully read the outcomes and try to glean whether they are improper. I failed the first time I tried using mycase. I saw what appeared to be a domestic violence case and it looked at first that they were improper. Then somebody else looked closer and saw the case was dismissed. Or maybe it was pled down to a misdemeanor of basic battery and not a disqualifier.
So yeah, there needs to be a fast way to check the properness of a person like NICS and ISP Firearms licensing folks do now that they may not have the pink permission slip to rely on.

 

[Lpherr]

Let’s hope that we’re beyond that bridge with past court decisions. But let’s say they stop you for running a stop sign and while checking your license and registration they notice a gun in the car. When they run your info and it came back flagged as a non-proper person, they’d now have reason to do something about you having that gun with you.

And what's their expected result? Will we see a rise in police being shot, as criminals will now attempt to get away?
Or will we have open fire on criminals with guns in cars from over zealous rookies?
Criminals have had guns since guns were invented, and it isn't going away.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

And my understanding is somebody will have to sort through court case after court case after court case and carefully read the outcomes and try to glean whether they are improper. I failed the first time I tried using mycase. I saw what appeared to be a domestic violence case and it looked at first that they were improper. Then somebody else looked closer and saw the case was dismissed. Or maybe it was pled down to a misdemeanor of basic battery and not a disqualifier.
So yeah, there needs to be a fast way to check the properness of a person like NICS and ISP Firearms licensing folks do now that they may not have the pink permission slip to rely on.

Good point. Plus there needs to be safe guards to guarantee against false positives.

 

[Cameramonkey]

And what's their expected result? Will we see a rise in police being shot, as criminals will now attempt to get away?
Or will we have open fire on criminals with guns in cars from over zealous rookies?
Criminals have had guns since guns were invented, and it isn't going away.

They are already runnin after getting "made". No change.

 

[Lpherr]

They are already runnin after getting "made". No change.

What's the planned tactic? Swarm the vehicle?
What will prevent innocents from being injured, or what happens when the system fails on a proper person?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

What's the planned tactic? Swarm the vehicle?
What will prevent innocents from being injured, or what happens when the system fails on a proper person?

The tactic would be whatever it was when they found someone carrying without a license. I think some of y'all are overthinking this. As @Denny347 has said, they used to be able to use the "carrying without a license" to get an additional charge added to whatever they were being arrested for.

 

[JettaKnight]

"Enforce the laws on the books!" Wasn't that our mantra when it came to new laws?

Here's how police can do it, and I'm good with this.

What's the planned tactic? Swarm the vehicle?
What will prevent innocents from being injured, or what happens when the system fails on a proper person?

You're overthinking this.

 

[Ingomike]

We are heading toward digital ID. With that, they will set it up to be remote and access your information, before even approaching an individual.

And the precrime unit will have read your brain waves and facial recognition will have all that data pulled up for them. NOT PURPLE…

 

[gassprint1]

And my understanding is somebody will have to sort through court case after court case after court case and carefully read the outcomes and try to glean whether they are improper. I failed the first time I tried using mycase. I saw what appeared to be a domestic violence case and it looked at first that they were improper. Then somebody else looked closer and saw the case was dismissed. Or maybe it was pled down to a misdemeanor of basic battery and not a disqualifier.
So yeah, there needs to be a fast way to check the properness of a person like NICS and ISP Firearms licensing folks do now that they may not have the pink permission slip to rely on.

I had or have same type of issue i haven't got fixed yet. In 2014 i got a speeding ticket which was bogus. I challenged the hell out of it with all sorts of legal papers i filed. Judge an assistant prosecutor found a technical loop hole to find me in catemp..next thing i know, there was a warrant out. I call the city court and was told to turn myself in and i would be released shortly. I did that but wss checking to make sure the warrant proper. Jailer said ok and when to verify. 5 minutes later, he comes back and a prick of a city detective is at the door. He says, get in. I started to say the jailer was verifying info..and the detective grabs me and throws me agwinst the wall. Says I'm under arrest for resisting. I have a video of this and basically had to get a court order for proof of what happened. I spent a week of hell in jail over retaliation because i wasn't putting up with bs anymore and they didn't like it. I filed for a jury trial and was denied my constitutional rights. I was railroaded badly at the bench trial. I filed trial DeNovo in the circuit court. When all said and done with only 2 court appearances, i made tge prosecutor look like a real friggin idiot and i had any snd wll charges associated with the speeding ticket dismissed. Reason for this long post, is when i looked at that case website..it shows the city court bs with false information entered into record. Luckily, i keep any and all things from court rulings.

 

[gassprint1]

And the precrime unit will have read your brain waves and facial recognition will have all that data pulled up for them. NOT PURPLE…

Im sure that illegal face recognition still being used will be in all the big cities soon if not already there but citizens just don't know it yet.

 

[KellyinAvon]

I believe this is the intended product they wish to have created.

Sitting through all those ConC hearings I often wondered why it was easier to look up the incredibly law-abiding, than the criminals.

 

[BigRed]

Is this from the same folks that made an ap to track the illegal aliens invading the southern border?

 

[Denny347]

Where's the probable cause to fish for it during an infraction?

Not PC but reasonable suspicion. NOT the same thing.

 

[Sigblitz]

Not PC but reasonable suspicion. NOT the same thing.

Ok that makes sense.

But just possessing a firearm is not reasonable suspicion. There has to be another element. Or everyone carrying a firearm is suspicious.

 

[DadSmith]

If this app helps enforce the laws on the books I'm for it. Just make sure their are plenty of safeguards in place.

 

[Sigblitz]

45% of Indiana residents own firearms (Pew Research Center). In a state that no longer requires state permission to exercise your Constitutional right to carry, without trying to sound like rhytes, it would not be uncommon, especially now, to encounter firearm owners out and about with their gun in tow. During a traffic stop for an infraction, which is not a crime, no crime being committed, going about your day carrying your firearm, your Constitutional right, is not by itself reasonable suspicion to query.

 

[Sigblitz]

Y'all look like suspicious gun owners. Let me check you out on my app.

 

[Route 45]

Y'all look like suspicious gun owners. Let me check you out on my app.

100% of gun crime is committed by people carrying guns. So be careful out there.

 

[Sigblitz]

They're all suspicious.