Army says new war-ready M17 pistol will change modern combat

[Brad69]

Leadeye is correct follow the money!

SIG has spend time and money courting the Army personnel here are few examples.
The internet service at the CONUS replacement center at FT. Benning was provided by SIG when I went though it. So right before you get on a plane for Iraasatain the last thing you see is a banner that states SIG is with you!
I visited the PX at FT. Knox last week SIG had a table set up at the PX handing out swag and entering Soldiers in a drawing for a MPX.
SIG just presented the “Old Guard” with ceremonial pistols so on so forth.
SIG is considered the standard for reliability and innovation by many in uniform remember many are not “gun” people.

Camelbak,Okley,Gerber,Magpul,5.11,Under Amour and many others have achieved brand id with the Army not through testing and evaluation but with marketing. Manufacturers send out questionnaires to get feedback and create items Soldiers want and guess what civilian’s buy the stuff which is big money. It’s good for me if my Gerber multi tool breaks I email Gerber they send shipping label fix it and send it back!

BTW I don’t understand the term “hollow point” never heard of it?

 

[MarkC]

Interesting on how the pistol will be a hyperbolic game changer. During the procurement morass, the Chief of Staff of the Army, GEN Mark Milley, correctly observed:

"arguably [the pistol is] the least lethal and important weapon system in Department of Defense inventory."

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...w-pistol-send-me-to-cabela-s-with-17-million/

 

[indykid]

Being left handed I don't seem to have problems with my M9/92FS nor operating the safety which in fact is on both sides. Slide release on lock back is no problem either as I just use my trigger finger.

I would agree that it came down to a great sales job, and is it possible that because Beretta move out of Maryland, the home of many government beings, that too played into it?

 

[Aflac]

Not to mention would have been cheaper just by overhauling the current inventory of M9s

 

[Kirk Freeman]

[h=2]Army says new war-ready M17 pistol will change modern combat[/h]

Bwahaha, who wrote that some REMF staff/JAG officer who never . . . *looks around* wait a minute.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Just more Army corporate Successories crap. Everything is always over the frickin' top in what they do.

There were several great pistols submitted. The modularity of the 320 was oversold. To our Army INGOers, how frickin' often will there be a large bin of extra parts in an armory?

The 320 was a solid B+. Big Army could have put all the guns in a pillow case, shaken it up, and drew out the next wonder gun.

 

[rhino]

The M17 has a chance to be a game changer . . . if no one on the enemy side shows up with a rifle or shotgun or anything bigger.

 

[nakinate]

I'm not sure how a sidearm is a game changer, but if they say so...

 

[actaeon277]

The M17 has a chance to be a game changer . . . if no one on the enemy side shows up with a rifle or shotgun or anything bigger.

Or tanks, missiles, jets, bombs, etc

 

[singlesix]

Game Changer? Unless the pistol fires guided bullets it's not changing anything. I hated running annual qualifications for my Bn. The rifle one was bad enough, but the pistols Quals ... Holy Shot Gun Spread Batman.

 

[Hohn]

Just more Army corporate Successories crap. Everything is always over the frickin' top in what they do.

There were several great pistols submitted. The modularity of the 320 was oversold. To our Army INGOers, how frickin' often will there be a large bin of extra parts in an armory?

The 320 was a solid B+. Big Army could have put all the guns in a pillow case, shaken it up, and drew out the next wonder gun.

All true. But not all the options were priced at loss leader rates. Sig hasn’t figured out that you try to actually make money on .mil contracts.

i can see a controversial bailout of Sig inside 10 yrs. Not as certainty, but as not improbable.

 

[bkflyer]

Interesting, when I worked for DoS in Iraq-2008-2010, we were issued Glocks and HydroShocks........

 

[Doublehelix]

I am not trying to defend the SIG contract or debate "game changers" or anything like that, but I just picked up a SIG P320 X-Five to use for Carry Optics in USPSA and I have to admit that the modularity is nice.

I never really bought into the whole modularity hoopla and just considered it a bunch of hooey. I have always been sort of anti-plastic with regards to guns.

But now that I see how the modularity thing works, I have to admit it is pretty cool. I can get a new frame for $44 and swap it out in 4 minutes. Add in a new slide/barrel kit, and I can have 2 guns (full size and compact).

I am not saying that SIG is the only one that can do this or that it is a good reason for the Army to choose SIG, only that the modularity feature surprised me in that I actually like it now that I have a P320 and see how it works. Up until 2 weeks ago, I would have argued that is a "worthless marketing gimmick".

 

[Brad69]

I am not an expert but I do know in 24 years my pistol left the holster twice.
So I have always believed that with the exception of MP’s and CID the pistol is a limited use sidearm.
I carried one when assigned as a machine gunner for use when the gun went down then again as a SFC E-7 and 1SG E-8 more of a badge of rank than actual need.

Whether is was a 1911 or M9 if it worked I was good with it never really considered much about it just a tool.
The M9 was a bit much to carry concealed a compact version would have sweet.
I cannot comprehend that issuing a pistol at Team Leader SGT E-5 level will be a game changer but maybe this will give us the edge?

 

[daddyusmaximus]

Still not sure if it was the best choice or not, but if they want it to truly be a game changer, (and they could do it at this price point) they should issue a sidearm, AND a rifle to every troop. Other than greatly increasing the numbers of them out in service... it's a back up piece to most troops. Maybe a tanker who carries only the handgun would like it better... or not...

 

[Peacekeeper3073]

Still not sure if it was the best choice or not, but if they want it to truly be a game changer, (and they could do it at this price point) they should issue a sidearm, AND a rifle to every troop. Other than greatly increasing the numbers of them out in service... it's a back up piece to most troops. Maybe a tanker who carries only the handgun would like it better... or not...

Agree 100% !!!!!

 

[Hop]

I'm still waiting for more info on Steyr's lawsuit against Sig for patent infringement. I don't see how Sig is going to get away with "modular frame" unless .gov pulls strings.

 

[ChalupaCabras]

Interesting on how the pistol will be a hyperbolic game changer. During the procurement morass, the Chief of Staff of the Army, GEN Mark Milley, correctly observed:

"arguably [the pistol is] the least lethal and important weapon system in Department of Defense inventory."

Pistols are GREAT in confined spaces ... But so are hand grenades.

 

[actaeon277]

Pistols are GREAT in confined spaces ... But so are hand grenades.

Not if you're in the same space.

 

[squirrelhntr]

one of the first sig pistols the P49 / P210, and the first 1911 the colt 45 share the same designer John M. Browning. we’ve come full circle.