Asserting Your Right To Open Carry.

[Libertarian01]

Years ago in an accounting class they laid out a simple rule for business: EVERY decision you make will have BOTH a positive and a negative consequence! In accounting it was the accountants job to provide the decision makers with the numbers on both sides so that the variables would be reduced.

I believe this lesson also applies to life - in all things! Often those variables are completely intangible such as, happiness, contentedness, a sense of belonging, frustration, anger, etc.

The conflict with the open carry issue is that it has really good arguments on both sides! Education of public v/s causing fear in public. Dissuading criminal behavior v/s becoming primary target. There are many others but these are the bigguns. Which is more important? Which matters most?

This is why the debate will never end, because what each one of us values is individual to us. Yes, the "us's" fall into groups, but there is no clear winner or loser. Each side has merit and where one side pushes to educate the other side resists causing fear. Both are right, but which one is more important is a question every individual can answer for themselves. This is why rights apply to individuals and not collectives, because we all must make our own free choices for ourselves.(Except for married folks, who have their wives make the choices for them)

Regards,

Doug

 

[2A_Tom]

I feel the case here is more about the interaction woth the police officer than the CC/OC argument. That will always come up because the CC crowd will always chime in.

This is about what happens when an OCer encounters an uninformed uniformed officer. CC does not come into the conversation because the officer hardly ever interacts with the CCer.

Vigilant says his department has not receives a directive. It is funny that he would need to receive a directive to do right when being an INGOer he most likely has seen some of the discussion of Pinner.

If an officer stops me I will attempt to educate him. I have had great success in the past, to the extent that where I live I have not had an interaction in years.

 

[Dead Duck]

Remember-
Criminals Conceal



Don't be a criminal - Open Carry.

 

[Trigger Time]

I do have a question that relates to this. How come so many people open carry at Walmart!! I never open carry and I’ve taught my son not to let anybody see it until it’s time for them to see it.

Because Walmart is dangerous
I dont open carry anymore when I'm out among the sheep. If I was at a private event and among friends I may open carry one day I dont know. But yeah I'm not interested in showing my ace when I'm playing cards.

 

[2A_Tom]

This thread needs to be renamed to the OC/CC opinion thread.

 

[KellyinAvon]

This thread needs to be renamed to the OC/CC opinion thread.

Half the threads here could be named OC/CC opinion thread.

 

[2A_Tom]

It Is a shame that the CC crowd doesn't ever have a good thread that the OC crowd can ruin.

It almost seems if everyone cc't INGO would shrivel up and die.

 

[KellyinAvon]

It Is a shame that the CC crowd doesn't ever have a good thread that the OC crowd can ruin.

It almost seems if everyone cc't INGO would shrivel up and die.

With that attitude you'll never ruin a CC thread. Now get back in there and declare CC to be the devil!

 

[mergatroid]

As the OP, I feel satisfied with the answers I have received regarding what you do and do not need to do if challenged by another citizen with a gun, LEO. (We both need to remember that part.)

Remember they are just citizens with additional liability and powers, true. But still citizens.

As for the OC/CC argument, I understand the sides. They are well defined. "I want to surprise the bad guy if I survive the initial ambush" vs "I hope to avoid the initial ambush all together".

My next question was......Do you think it wise to let LEO be viewed by the public as the only "legitimate" form of OC.

I suspect that if only LEO open carrys, the public will think they, and only them, have the right and going forward should have the right.

Maybe, just maybe, other citizens should exercise the right as a balance.

 

[KellyinAvon]

As the OP, I feel satisfied with the answers I have received regarding what you do and do not need to do if challenged by another citizen with a gun, LEO. (We both need to remember that part.)

Remember they are just citizens with additional liability and powers, true. But still citizens.

As for the OC/CC argument, I understand the sides. They are well defined. "I want to surprise the bad guy if I survive the initial ambush" vs "I hope to avoid the initial ambush all together".

My next question was......Do you think it wise to let LEO be viewed by the public as the only "legitimate" form of OC.

I suspect that if only LEO open carrys, the public will think they, and only them, have the right and going forward should have the right.

Maybe, just maybe, other citizens should exercise the right as a balance.

Excellent facilitation technique Mergatroid. We are not the best bunch when it comes to staying on point (argue, threadjack, talk about food, OC v CC, 1911 v Glock, more food talk, repeat) and I'm one of the worst. It's the Internet, it's what we do here

People not openly carrying weapons led to where we are now. We need to be ready to educate no matter how we choose to carry. Carrying lawfully? It's all good at that point. Not my preferred manner? That's OK too.

 

[mergatroid]

People not openly carrying weapons led to where we are now. We need to be ready to educate no matter how we choose to carry. Carrying lawfully? It's all good at that point. Not my preferred manner? That's OK too.

Thanks for the kind words. And this observation is on the nose.

We have allowed the perception that Open Carry is bad by not Open Carrying! Use it or lose it people!

Other states have "printing" rules. If someone can see your gun, your subject to arrest or fines. What kind of freedom is that? Celebrate Indiana, Indiana Gun Owners! (Oh the irony).

Open Carry is not "all that", but it goes along way to normalize handgun carry in general and insure our future rights.

I don't always open carry a hand gun, but when I do, it is big and pretty and in a nice holster! (Imagine XX guy posting this!)

 

[2A_Tom]

Sorry I had to say it. "Heavens to Mergatroid!"

EDIT to add:

I started a new thread for all of the CC folk, enjoy.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...se/456953-conceal-carry-non-event-thread.html

 

[Trigger Time]

I support safe OC and safe CC. I wish everyone would carry a gun but they dont. I also understand that not all anti-gun people are idiots and not all gun owners are smart. Also not everyone in the gun community including ingo like each other or have to be friends or agree with each other but we can still support the 2nd amendment. The day that people stop speaking their mind and giving opinions is the day INGO might as well change its name to the socialist democratic party.

 

[Trigger Time]

Thanks for the kind words. And this observation is on the nose.

We have allowed the perception that Open Carry is bad by not Open Carrying! Use it or lose it people!

Other states have "printing" rules. If someone can see your gun, your subject to arrest or fines. What kind of freedom is that? Celebrate Indiana, Indiana Gun Owners! (Oh the irony).

Open Carry is not "all that", but it goes along way to normalize handgun carry in general and insure our future rights.

I don't always open carry a hand gun, but when I do, it is big and pretty and in a nice holster! (Imagine XX guy posting this!)

Yeah printing laws are a way for cops to avoid Probable Cause in my opinion.

 

[2A_Tom]

Well to clarify. I OC. I do not ever tell anyone that they need to OC. How you carry is totally up to you. OC or CC it doesn't matter, Just Carry.

I will say that the weakest way to carry is SOB, that you should never OBC and that Cross Draw and shoulder holsters are not recommended by many trainers.

I attempt to get others that are not comfortable around firearms to the range. I am willing to take the time with someone who asks a question.

 

[actaeon277]

Sorry I had to say it. "Heavens to Mergatroid!"

EDIT to add:

I started a new thread for all of the CC folk, enjoy.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...se/456953-conceal-carry-non-event-thread.html

I thought the same thing.