ATF 41P and other rule changes.

[ryknoll3]

From what I read that is the case as long as you continue to submit applications every 24 months. So as long as you are constantly submitting forms, no new prints need to be sent. If there is a 24 month lull you will need to submit them for everyone again. .... this is what I gathered from the 41p thread going on over on arfcom

That's right. Just want it to be clear that you don't have to submit prints and pics UNLESS you are submitting a form and it's been more than 2 years since your last one. From what I read, you don't have to do anything if you are simply adding someone to your trust or your trust sits as-is with the weapons it has in it. It seems some people thought you would just have to submit prints and pics every 2 years even if you didn't buy anything.

Also, I'm sure the first thing you buy after this goes into effect will have to include the prints and pics from the responsible persons even if your last pre-41p purchase was less than 24 months prior.

 

[milton]

So do I understand correctly that as long as you file something and it goes pending before the rule change you are good? Or does it have be approved before that date? Trying to prioritize a few more NFA items before the change.

 

[Psode27]

This is confusing as hell. I havent used my trust yet (less than a week old, notarizing tomorrow), and it figures they decide to make things more complicated... just out of curiosity, does anyone know the cost for fingerprint/ID submission for a trustee? I'm wondering if I need to send a 20$ bill to my trustees as a peace offering for their paperwork fees/hassle. I hope to be adding my first NFA item to the trust in the next few weeks, so I just want to make sure I'm reasonably educated. Thanks to those who have shed som light on this topic!
The amount of paperwork and crap hitting the BATF mail room is going to be hilarious....

 

[rbhargan]

My understanding is that the new rules will not take effect until 180 days after they appear in the Federal Register (I don't think they have been published yet). If you submit your paperwork now, hopefully it will be approved before they go into effect. At least that is what I am hoping. :-)

 

[hmaverick]

I'm always here to help answer questions!

marc@halatalaw.com
708.307.7973

 

[hmaverick]

So do I understand correctly that as long as you file something and it goes pending before the rule change you are good? Or does it have be approved before that date? Trying to prioritize a few more NFA items before the change.

yes. file and buy away. a great time to stop procrastinating for some people

 

[AmmoManAaron]

Question: I read this carefully, and to my non-lawyer eyes, it appears that if you are filing as an individual (no trust) that the CLEO signoff has gone away. Is this correct?

 

[rvb]

Question: I read this carefully, and to my non-lawyer eyes, it appears that if you are filing as an individual (no trust) that the CLEO signoff has gone away. Is this correct?

yes. trusts and individuals both are now required to notify CLEO.

-rvb

 

[milton]

yes. file and buy away. a great time to stop procrastinating for some people

Good thing someone set me up with a trust!

 

[SteveM4A1]

yes. trusts and individuals both are now required to notify CLEO.

-rvb

Well, not NOW. But once it goes into effect.