Atf decides to redefine common pistols as aow

[churchmouse]

I can make no argument for many of these opinions and mind sets.
What I can do is agree with Ggreen. Get on the horn. Make the calls. E-mails snail mails just do it.
Any irritations we can make on the hill. Any.

The rouge alphabet agency's that were put in [place to do just this sort of thing need to be abolished.

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

I'd be willing to bet something shiny Trump doesn't know wtf a pistol brace is and is 100% unaware this talk is even happening.

 

[gglass]

It is nothing short of TDS to think that even if Trump wanted to do this he would drop it, like creating an October surprise that burns himself, two weeks before a contentious election that he needs gun owners to turn out.

What gets me perturbed is our own falling for it and perpetuating it to our overall detriment...

Yes indeed! this was a Deep State Bureaucracy 11th hour maneuver to put a wedge between Trump and one of his loyal constituency groups, 2A supporters. It is also sad that some folks actually believe that Trump would shoot himself in the foot right as he is crossing the finish line. The Deep State relies on people not to be deep thinkers.

Write and call your representatives TODAY, TOMORROW and EVERY Day until they take action!

 

[Kutnupe14]

Once again, we've (...actually you've) been had. The Trump administration sticks it to gun owners once again.

Someone tell me again why Trump was better than Obama concerning the 2A. Especially considering the following:

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/20...-federal-gun-control-for-third-straight-year/

 

[Ingomike]

Once again, we've (...actually you've) been had. The Trump administration sticks it to gun owners once again.

Someone tell me again why Trump was better than Obama concerning the 2A. Especially considering the following:

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/20...-federal-gun-control-for-third-straight-year/

If you believe this then Obama should have been frog marched out over "his IRS" unconstitutional actions?

Can't have it both ways...

 

[drillsgt]

Once again, we've (...actually you've) been had. The Trump administration sticks it to gun owners once again.

Someone tell me again why Trump was better than Obama concerning the 2A. Especially considering the following:

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/20...-federal-gun-control-for-third-straight-year/

See gglass' post, you're doing exactly what they want lol.

 

[Kutnupe14]

If you believe this then Obama should have been frog marched out over "his IRS" unconstitutional actions?

Can't have it both ways...

I'm sorry, let me phrase it differently: "Someone tell me again why during the span Trump was in office, the 2A was/is in better shape, than during the span Obama was in office?"
Especially given the information below:

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/20...-federal-gun-control-for-third-straight-year/

 

[drillsgt]

I'm sorry, let me phrase it differently: "Someone tell me again why during the span Trump was in office, the 2A was/is in better shape, than during the span Obama was in office?"
Especially given the information below:

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/20...-federal-gun-control-for-third-straight-year/

So the fact that under the Trump administration there were more gun crime prosecutions vs. obama that's now 'gun control'? I thought we were for the whole just enforce the laws already on the books lol.

 

[Kutnupe14]

See gglass' post, you're doing exactly what they want lol.

I saw it, and translated it as "That's unpossible! The Deep State is behind this to get Trump!" Ok, let's assume he's right. What does that say about the president's oversight over his respective departments? How important is the 2A actually to him, if he hasn't instilled a very pro-2A culture, and made the heads, who would sign off on this nonsense, aware of his expectations? It seems he's used ya'll, and after elected, he forgot all ya....now that it's election time again, he's knocking on your door.

 

[Ingomike]

So the fact that under the Trump administration there were more gun crime prosecutions vs. obama that's now 'gun control'? I thought we were for the whole just enforce the laws already on the books lol.

I also believe that the administration has made assisting cities experiencing high levels of crime involving guns a priority along with possession of guns by prohibited persons and straw buyers. So the small increase is not concerning to me...

 

[Kutnupe14]

So the fact that under the Trump administration there were more gun crime prosecutions vs. obama that's now 'gun control'? I thought we were for the whole just enforce the laws already on the books lol.

"We?"
Name me a firearm-related law, typically enforced by the ATF, that you agree with. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. Offenses related to Machine guns, AOWs, SBRs? Yeah, I don't like those laws on the books being enforced, because they shouldn't exist. Obama enforcing them was a no-brainer - Trump enforcing them, and exceeding Obama's numbers, when he could just as easily put out an EO giving blanket amnesty from prosecution, tells us exactly what he thinks of the 2A …. a tool to be used uring election cycles, and then shelved until the next one.

 

[Ingomike]

I saw it, and translated it as "That's unpossible! The Deep State is behind this to get Trump!" Ok, let's assume he's right. What does that say about the president's oversight over his respective departments? How important is the 2A actually to him, if he hasn't instilled a very pro-2A culture, and made the heads, who would sign off on this nonsense, aware of his expectations? It seems he's used ya'll, and after elected, he forgot all ya....now that it's election time again, he's knocking on your door.

Remember Col. Vindman? He was butt hurt that the President had a different foreign policy plan than the agency. That was the real reason that he participated in impeachment. The guy we elected wasn't doing what some government employee thou the should and there we went.

It is easy to understand if one wants to...

 

[Ingomike]

"We?"
Name me a firearm-related law, typically enforced by the ATF, that you agree with. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. Offenses related to Machine guns, AOWs, SBRs? Yeah, I don't like those laws on the books being enforced, because they shouldn't exist. Obama enforcing them was a no-brainer - Trump enforcing them, and exceeding Obama's numbers, when he could just as easily put out an EO giving blanket amnesty from prosecution, tells us exactly what he thinks of the 2A …. a tool to be used uring election cycles, and then shelved until the next one.

So you approve of a dictator president that choosing what laws they want to enforce? I typically do not like gun laws but they are here. I have no problem with the ATF helping clean up violence racked cities with those laws. They are, after all, the law, whether or not I like them...

 

[Kutnupe14]

Remember Col. Vindman? He was butt hurt that the President had a different foreign policy plan than the agency. That was the real reason that he participated in impeachment. The guy we elected wasn't doing what some government employee thou the should and there we went.

It is easy to understand if one wants to...

Military, not the same as civil service, when it comes to the directives of the President.

 

[Ggreen]

I'd be willing to bet something shiny Trump doesn't know wtf a pistol brace is and is 100% unaware this talk is even happening.

This isn't about braces anymore

 

[Gluemanz28]

Please keep on topic. The only politic that matters at this point is the pressure we all apply to our officials. Email, call, write, social media, every inch matters right now. We can discuss our hurt feelings and disappointment in elected officials somewhere else.

Thanks for starting the thread Ggreen. It seems impossible for some on INGO to pass up an opportunity to bash the current administration and turn every thread into a Trump vs Obama debate. While gun owners are fighting amongst ourselves our rights are slipping away. It’s time to unite and contact our elected officials and take a stand together.

 

[Ggreen]

Please take non topic political banter to another thread. This is an immediate 2a threat digging through v political mud throwing waters down the importance of this thread

 

[churchmouse]

Just because.

 

[Kutnupe14]

So you approve of a dictator president that choosing what laws they want to enforce? I typically do not like gun laws but they are here. I have no problem with the ATF helping clean up violence racked cities with those laws. They are, after all, the law, whether or not I like them...

Doesn't work that way - dictatorship, I mean. Just because a law exists, does not mean that law is just. If you are a "law means it's right" person, I see your point, if you aren't you see mine.
Of the 3 branches of government, the "executive" is tasked to enforce the law. The head of the executive branch, the president, is given wide latitude in interpreting and enforcing those laws.

 

[breakingcontact]

Doesn't work that way - dictatorship, I mean. Just because a law exists, does not mean that law is just. If you are a "law means it's right" person, I see your point, if you aren't you see mine.
Of the 3 branches of government, the "executive" is tasked to enforce the law. The head of the executive branch, the president, is given wide latitude in interpreting and enforcing those laws.

That's how it 'aposda work, but it doesn't.

The legislature has given up its power to the courts and the president largely to the administrative agencies.