Big Changes In Republican Party In Trump Era...

[KLB]

SO, who "is" the best person for the job? How do you define "best person"?

Personally I love his platform and that is why I voted for him and will vote for him again. If Hillary had the same platform, I'd vote for her. People need to stop the old argument about the perfect (best) person for the job. Trump was, and is, the best person with the best platform.

Those who don't like Trump, tell me about the benefits of socialism.

Your view is that anyone not trump is socialist?

 

[spec4]

WTF? “This guy tells it like it is and swings back,” therefore nothing else matters. I guess he literally could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters. Because, you know, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Because Jesus said absolutely nothing else after that. There are apparently two forms of TDS.

I think you know the gist of the first sentence in my post. Don't know about you, but I can't seriously consider that Trump will ever be on 5th Ave. shooting people. If you don't like Trump, that's fine with me. I get a little cynical when he is bashed for anything he ever did considering the Dems have done much worse and don't get the same criticism.

 

[Ziggidy]

Your view is that anyone not trump is socialist?

When looking at the current list for 2020, yes.

 

[Ziggidy]

I think you know the gist of the first sentence in my post. Don't know about you, but I can't seriously consider that Trump will ever be on 5th Ave. shooting people. If you don't like Trump, that's fine with me. I get a little cynical when he is bashed for anything he ever did considering the Dems have done much worse and don't get ANY criticism.

Fixed it for you.....

 

[jamil]

SO, who "is" the best person for the job? How do you define "best person"?

Personally I love his platform and that is why I voted for him and will vote for him again. If Hillary had the same platform, I'd vote for her. People need to stop the old argument about the perfect (best) person for the job. Trump was, and is, the best person with the best platform.

Those who don't like Trump, tell me about the benefits of socialism.

Who is the best person for the job isn't necessarily asking who is the perfect person for the job, or even a good person, or competent person. It's just rank-ordering the contenders and picking the person on top.

 

[jamil]

I think you know the gist of the first sentence in my post. Don't know about you, but I can't seriously consider that Trump will ever be on 5th Ave. shooting people. If you don't like Trump, that's fine with me. I get a little cynical when he is bashed for anything he ever did considering the Dems have done much worse and don't get the same criticism.

The point is that it is unlikely that Trump supporters could withhold support regardless of what Trump does. Of course the 5th avenue shooting someone is not realistic. It was derived from a Trump quote where he said basically the same thing I did.

 

[Ziggidy]

Who is the best person for the job isn't necessarily asking who is the perfect person for the job, or even a good person, or competent person. It's just rank-ordering the contenders and picking the person on top.

As with any election at any given time in history. Elect the best person with the best platform. This time (2020) it truly seems quite easy. The constitution or socialism.

Who is best to support the constitution or who is best to support socialism? None of the candidates are perfect, but which one is best for accomplishing the goal you want.

For me it's Trump, hands down.

 

[Leadeye]

Personally I don't think socialism is going anywhere this coming election, it's more of a stylish, vogue, identity with the people espousing it rather than an economic reality. People like Upton Sinclair, Norman Thomas and the Kingfish couldn't get the job done in the Great depression, so I don't see the current cast of characters getting it done when times are better.

 

[jamil]

As with any election at any given time in history. Elect the best person with the best platform. This time (2020) it truly seems quite easy. The constitution or socialism.

Who is best to support the constitution or who is best to support socialism? None of the candidates are perfect, but which one is best for accomplishing the goal you want.

For me it's Trump, hands down.

That’s pretty much the choices. Except I’d say the sides aren’t a battle between the constitution or socialism. Not all the candidates are socialists. And a vote for Trump isn’t a vote for the constitution. The bumpstock ban is a step away from the constitution. But, it’s along those lines. A vote for Democrats is a vote closer to socialism, and I’d say closer to cultural Marxism at least. A vote for Trump is to me a vote against all that. So yeah.

 

[Ziggidy]

That’s pretty much the choices. Except I’d say the sides aren’t a battle between the constitution or socialism. Not all the candidates are socialists. And a vote for Trump isn’t a vote for the constitution. The bumpstock ban is a step away from the constitution. But, it’s along those lines. A vote for Democrats is a vote closer to socialism, and I’d say closer to cultural Marxism at least. A vote for Trump is to me a vote against all that. So yeah.

There is some rumor the bump stock ban might (very slim) be reversed.

 

[Ziggidy]

Personally I don't think socialism is going anywhere this coming election, it's more of a stylish, vogue, identity with the people espousing it rather than an economic reality. People like Upton Sinclair, Norman Thomas and the Kingfish couldn't get the job done in the Great depression, so I don't see the current cast of characters getting it done when times are better.

Those who claim socialism will not come this next election have not been living in the current world we live in; and socialism's progression within the last 40+ years. It has become very close under the Obama years and will most likely succeed under any one of the democrats that would be elected. Allot can be started through EO's and tied up for years in courts. Long enough to take the shock value (the pain of the thought) and ease into it over a few years. It's happening now! Dang, we have radical muslims being elected to government in spite of 9/11, which was not so long ago.

They want to take away our guns? Then lets see how long it takes to change our government to socialism once that happens. They won't take the guns away? While the fight is going on (if it came to that), they will be working behind the scenes waiting for their victory. Bloodshed will keep people from fighting. Hunger will cause people to turn against people.....will no longer be an attempt to take guns away, it will become citizen against citizen - for survival. People will hate people who stand up for the constitution because it will cause pain and suffering for the snowflakes. Google and such will certainly make it impossible to communicate properly. Food supply will suffer. Money will be scarce as banks and such close down; forced down. All this while the government is growing socialism. Once the majority of guns are taken, communism will become a way of life.

Will this happen? I pray not; however, it could happen in my lifetime, even though I am old.

 

[Ingomike]

What changes have you observed?

Another change Trump has lead the charge on is the overall public perception of unbiased news. There never has been such a thing, it was a fiction created by the defunct fairness doctrine.

 

[KLB]

Those who claim socialism will not come this next election have not been living in the current world we live in; and socialism's progression within the last 40+ years. It has become very close under the Obama years and will most likely succeed under any one of the democrats that would be elected. Allot can be started through EO's and tied up for years in courts. Long enough to take the shock value (the pain of the thought) and ease into it over a few years. It's happening now! Dang, we have radical muslims being elected to government in spite of 9/11, which was not so long ago.

They want to take away our guns? Then lets see how long it takes to change our government to socialism once that happens. They won't take the guns away? While the fight is going on (if it came to that), they will be working behind the scenes waiting for their victory. Bloodshed will keep people from fighting. Hunger will cause people to turn against people.....will no longer be an attempt to take guns away, it will become citizen against citizen - for survival. People will hate people who stand up for the constitution because it will cause pain and suffering for the snowflakes. Google and such will certainly make it impossible to communicate properly. Food supply will suffer. Money will be scarce as banks and such close down; forced down. All this while the government is growing socialism. Once the majority of guns are taken, communism will become a way of life.

Will this happen? I pray not; however, it could happen in my lifetime, even though I am old.

That is a lot of hyperbole. Obama was no where near making this country socialist, and there is no candidate that would be able to either. None of them could take control of the countries manufacturing and production facilities.

They could move us further down the progressive hole than we are, which would be a result though.

I'm not a fan of him or some of the he has done, but he will get my vote over any of the other parties candidates.

 

[BugI02]

Who is the best person for the job isn't necessarily asking who is the perfect person for the job, or even a good person, or competent person. It's just rank-ordering the contenders and picking the person on top.

"Perfect is the enemy of good" - Voltaire, 1770

"Better is the enemy of good enough" - Sergey Gorshkov, ~1943

Nothing new under the [STRIKE]sun[/STRIKE] dark helmet

 

[Ingomike]

That is a lot of hyperbole. Obama was no where near making this country socialist, and there is no candidate that would be able to either. None of them could take control of the countries manufacturing and production facilities.

They could move us further down the progressive hole than we are, which would be a result though.

I'm not a fan of him or some of the he has done, but he will get my vote over any of the other parties candidates.

You must live in a different place than I do. Obama took over the entire healthcare universe with mandates for everybody from hospitals, insurance, to the people. He completely took over the student loan business. Told the auto industry what they were going to build. Naw, nowhere near socialism...

 

[BugI02]

As with any election at any given time in history. Elect the best person with the best platform. This time (2020) it truly seems quite easy. The constitution or socialism.

Who is best to support the constitution or who is best to support socialism? None of the candidates are perfect, but which one is best for accomplishing the goal you want.

For me it's Trump, hands down.

BugI02 approves of this message. The idea that we can fail to (re)elect a Republican president while simultaneously electing enough Republicans to the House and Senate to stymie the worst excesses of a Democrat is dangerously optimistic and arguably delusional, without even considering the unfinished business of retaking the courts

 

[IndyBeerman]

They could move us further down the progressive hole than we are, which would be a result though.

The movement is real, and the makeup of the younger generation leaning that way could play out rapidly by dropping us down the rabbit hole so far it would be very hard to correct it.

Reagan's quote of "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
is never more truer today.

 

[BugI02]

If you are not liberal at 20, you have no heart and if you are not conservative at 40 you have no brain.

That gives them possibly 5 chances to vote for a bad president and 10 chances to vote for stupid legislators before the coming of wisdom. Don't underestimate the potential damage that could be done

 

[jamil]

You must live in a different place than I do. Obama took over the entire healthcare universe with mandates for everybody from hospitals, insurance, to the people. He completely took over the student loan business. Told the auto industry what they were going to build. Naw, nowhere near socialism...

That’s not socialism. It’s authoritarian. It’s cronyism. It’s not good. It’s just not socialism.

 

[KG1]

The movement is real, and the makeup of the younger generation leaning that way could play out rapidly by dropping us down the rabbit hole so far it would be very hard to correct it.

Reagan's quote of "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
is never more truer today.

Hey I just noticed the Beerman is back and on point. I remember you IBM. Always have enjoyed your perspective and sense of humor going way back.