Black man shot in Kenosha, riots starting all over again...

[rvb]

Im generally in agreement. Yes, it was stupid to show up, but hey, he has that right. I think he was proper in deploying deadly force on those who were attacking him. I wouldn’t convict him on that....BUT, if you’ve seen the video, he unloads about 5 or 6 rounds indiscriminately down range, when it appears he had no reason to. If one of the deceased is a result of that second part, then it won’t bode well for him. Again, why do people put themselves in such situations? Want some trigger time? Join the service.

I didn’t see indiscriminate rounds he fired? There’s lots of gunfire in the background noise. When was it, at the gas station, when he was on the ground?
-rvb

 

[Tombs]

Nobody. There is no crime, I can think of, where the potential victimization of the general public allows for the use of deadly force. You need to be way more specific than that.

I guess we've never fought a justified war then.
That's a powerful insult you just issued to all service members and veterans.

 

[ghuns]

Im generally in agreement. Yes, it was stupid to show up, but hey, he has that right. I think he was proper in deploying deadly force on those who were attacking him. I wouldn’t convict him on that....BUT, if you’ve seen the video, he unloads about 5 or 6 rounds indiscriminately down range, when it appears he had no reason to. If one of the deceased is a result of that second part, then it won’t bode well for him. Again, why do people put themselves in such situations? Want some trigger time? Join the service.

The first guy he shot, Mr Red Shirt, was belligerent early in the video. Somehow he ends up chasing the shooter and throws something at him. Seems like the kid shot at that point and missed. Mr Red Shirt then continues chasing, almost catching him between parked cars when he's shot in the noggin.

If I'm holding a loaded rifle and someone begins chasing me and is clearly hostile, I can't see how it's unreasonable to shoot them. Such a person is clearly out of their f**kin mind and a legitimate threat.

What could a reasonable person expect to happen if Mr Red Shirt had managed to catch the kid? I don't think it'd take much fancy lawyering to convince a jury the kid was in fear of great bodily injury or death.

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[Kutnupe14]

I didn’t see indiscriminate rounds he fired? There’s lots of gunfire in the background noise. When was it, at the gas station, when he was on the ground?
-rvb

It may have been other other people, but my conclusion is based on the fact that there are 2 dead (we only see one), and another injured.
-see vid at bottom of below link.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.com/news/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse/amp/

 

[Tombs]

It may have been other other people, but my conclusion is based on the fact that there are 2 dead (we only see one), and another injured.
-see vid at bottom of below link.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.com/news/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse/amp/

You have a really bad perspective of the events that happened.

The first guy who died was the red shirt who was yelling racial slurs at him earlier. He chased him, threw stuff at him, then ended up getting domed.

Then the kid was running from the mob chasing him. He tripped and fell, at which point the crowd was attempting to dog pile him and he unloaded. He shot and killed one person, then blew the other guy's arm off.

There's where your 2 dead come from. There was shots being fired as he was walking to police to turn himself in, and I have no idea what was going on with those shots, but they weren't from him.

[video=youtube;rRa3h7RHHvg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRa3h7RHHvg[/video] Here's him attempting to turn himself in.

 

[foszoe]

So the individual with the AR was chased down by 3 people, and of that group one tried to jump on his head after he fell, another tried to strike his head with a skateboard, and the last guy approached him with a pistol drawn? That seems pretty clear self defense. Let's see what facts emerge around the first guy that was shot.

Having a hard time following all this one...if the shooter first chased down someone and shot him then any subsequent shootings could not be justified self defense if people reacted to the unjustified shoot. Maybe I am mistaken in my understanding of the events and timeline.

 

[Tombs]

Having a hard time following all this one...if the shooter first chased down someone and shot him then any subsequent shootings could not be justified self defense if people reacted to the unjustified shoot. Maybe I am mistaken in my understanding of the events and timeline.

You are very mistaken.

I wish this website had an easy way to upload videos...

I'm putting it on youtube for you.

Will edit when it's done. Done.

[video=youtube;FXXWNna40xA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXXWNna40xA[/video]

 

[Kutnupe14]

I guess we've never fought a justified war then.
That's a powerful insult you just issued to all service members and veterans.

Any war waged under the excuse of protecting the “general public,” without further justification (ie being more specific), would be dubious to say the least.

 

[Kutnupe14]

You have a really bad perspective of the events that happened.

The first guy who died was the red shirt who was yelling racial slurs at him earlier. He chased him, threw stuff at him, then ended up getting domed.

Then the kid was running from the mob chasing him. He tripped and fell, at which point the crowd was attempting to dog pile him and he unloaded. He shot and killed one person, then blew the other guy's arm off.

There's where your 2 dead come from. There was shots being fired as he was walking to police to turn himself in, and I have no idea what was going on with those shots, but they weren't from him.

[video=youtube;rRa3h7RHHvg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRa3h7RHHvg[/video] Here's him attempting to turn himself in.

So there’s a shooting prior to where this video starts?

 

[Tombs]

So there’s a shooting prior to where this video starts?

I'm getting so confused between the video I was just discussing and this one

Okay for the video where he turns himself in. Yes there was a shooting prior to that.

I uploaded the video of what happened before that video starts.

 

[GMediC]

Are we going to get out of this mess by minding our own business? Are we going to regain 2A rights previously removed by minding our own business? Hasn't worked so well up to now.
They are poking the bear.

It's none of my business till someones actions forces it to be.

Looting and burning of businesses does not meet the threshold of it being my business, at least not to the point that I will willing introduce myself to conflict.

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[Tombs]

It's none of my business till someones actions forces it to be.

Looting and burning of businesses does not meet the threshold of it being my business, at least not to the point that I will willing introduce myself to conflict.

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As per Indiana law, even if it were your business, you could not defend it with lethal force.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'm getting so confused between the video I was just discussing at this one

Okay for the video where he turns himself in. Yes there was a shooting prior to that.

I uploaded the video of what happened before that video starts.

Well, I’m not that old, but my eyes must be failing me. In the vid, I see one guy KIA, and another injured. Where is the third?

 

[Tombs]

Well, I’m not that old, but my eyes must be failing me. In the vid, I see one guy KIA, and another injured. Where is the third?

[video=youtube;FXXWNna40xA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXXWNna40xA[/video]

Right here.

 

[singlestacksig]

https://streamable.com/amp_player/dnero4?__twitter_impression=true

 

[KG1]

You have a really bad perspective of the events that happened.

The first guy who died was the red shirt who was yelling racial slurs at him earlier. He chased him, threw stuff at him, then ended up getting domed.

Then the kid was running from the mob chasing him. He tripped and fell, at which point the crowd was attempting to dog pile him and he unloaded. He shot and killed one person, then blew the other guy's arm off.

There's where your 2 dead come from. There was shots being fired as he was walking to police to turn himself in, and I have no idea what was going on with those shots, but they weren't from him.

[video=youtube;rRa3h7RHHvg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRa3h7RHHvg[/video] Here's him attempting to turn himself in.

At one point when he started to walk away toward the cops he turns around and then we hear the gunshots. It's hard to tell but IDK if it might have been him shooting into the air to keep the mob from coming after him. He then turns around again and proceeds towards the cops to turn himself in.

 

[Kutnupe14]

[video=youtube;FXXWNna40xA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXXWNna40xA[/video]

Right here.

That was in the first vid? In light of the vid you posted, and not being on of those “well what happened before” folks, it would appear self-defense to me.

 

[Tombs]

https://streamable.com/amp_player/dnero4?__twitter_impression=true

Thank you, finally someone put everything together.

That was in the first vid?

Watch the above.

 

[larcat]

Honestly asking, what is the law on that here in Indiana like?

As per Indiana law, even if it were your business, you could not defend it with lethal force.

 

[Tombs]

Honestly asking, what is the law on that here in Indiana like?

You can use lethal force to defend your residence, you can not use lethal force to defend your business.