Brace Ban

[NyleRN]

4473's aren't 100% registration until private sales without background checks are illegal.
Police: "Sir, we need to see your guns that are on these 4473's"
Me: "Uh, what guns? I've traded around for several years and all those guns I've sold or traded to a private party. Are not private sales legal?"

 

[churchmouse]

4473's aren't 100% registration until private sales without background checks are illegal.
Police: "Sir, we need to see your guns that are on these 4473's"
Me: "Uh, what guns? I've traded around for several years and all those guns I've sold or traded to a private party. Are not private sales legal?"

This is pretty much why I will never ever buy another gun on a 4473.

 

[d.kaufman]

This is pretty much why I will never ever buy another gun on a 4473.

 

[shootersix]

This is pretty much why I will never ever buy another gun on a 4473.

if you've bought anything in the last 20 years, the 4473 is on file at the gunshop, they're required to hold them for 20 years, after that, they can be destroyed, once a year, they owner of the shop I work at has a bonfire and burns them, NOW the exception is when the shop go's out of business, the shop is required to send all the forms (less than 20 years old) to the batfe for them to store.

about once a year the owner go's thru the forms, and if he finds one with a friends name on it, he pulls it out and offers it to them, he just gave me a 20 year old 4473 that my dad filled out for a 10/22 that I inherited when dad passed

 

[Leonidas]

Just SBR it and forget about it. It’s $200.00. NFA gums are so heavily background checked they won’t fall to all this stupid “assault weapon” bans. Then you never have to worry about the winds of change about attachments, can I shoulder it etc... The paperwork is easier now anyway. I’m SBRing multiple lowers just to avoid future headaches.

 

[singlesix]

Just SBR it and forget about it. It’s $200.00. NFA gums are so heavily background checked they won’t fall to all this stupid “assault weapon” bans. Then you never have to worry about the winds of change about attachments, can I shoulder it etc... The paperwork is easier now anyway. I’m SBRing multiple lowers just to avoid future headaches.

What have you been smoking. You seriously think the Antis will leave your precision items along. This is what they are hoping for, they aren't coming after "my guns", so no worries.

 

[AlVine]

It’s a long thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned already. Remember how long the bump stock ban took? It was over a year. Doesn’t the BATF have to publish the proposed rule change and let the public comment? Only after that can they ignore the comments and implement the change.

There are politicians who want to get rid of pistol braces, so I’m sure it’s being discussed. Gun owners have made it easy for them to ban braces by treating them like rifle stocks. ‘Incidental contact’ wasn’t a go ahead to make ‘pistols’ to circumvent the SBR requirements, but that’s how it was taken. We ruined a good thing and put a thousand videos on YouTube proving it. Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

 

[Leonidas]

What have you been smoking. You seriously think the Antis will leave your precision items along. This is what they are hoping for, they aren't coming after "my guns", so no worries.

Find a crime committed with an NFA gun by the actual owner, not a stolen NFA gun. Their whole argument now is background checks. Can’t get any more invasive than the NFA check. My point is that if you are worried about the flavor of the day with stocks, braces, attachments etc, just SBR it and you can do whatever without worry.

 

[Route 45]

Find a crime committed with an NFA gun by the actual owner, not a stolen NFA gun. Their whole argument now is background checks. Can’t get any more invasive than the NFA check. My point is that if you are worried about the flavor of the day with stocks, braces, attachments etc, just SBR it and you can do whatever without worry.

Go ahead and keep feeding the alligator. I'm sure that when you run out of food, it will never think to just eat you.

 

[gmcttr]

...My point is that if you are worried about the flavor of the day with stocks, braces, attachments etc, just SBR it and you can do whatever without worry.

Do you really think being SBR'ed would keep them from coming after your's if they banned "assault rifles" and went for confiscation in any of it's many forms? It would still have all of the banned features.

 

[d.kaufman]

Just SBR it and forget about it. It’s $200.00. NFA gums are so heavily background checked they won’t fall to all this stupid “assault weapon” bans. Then you never have to worry about the winds of change about attachments, can I shoulder it etc... The paperwork is easier now anyway. I’m SBRing multiple lowers just to avoid future headaches.

NFA items will be the first ones they come after when it comes down to it.

 

[Leonidas]

Well, yes, if you look historically NFA items have not been affected by AWBs. If you really think anyone in the US gov is coming to your house to take your guns away, you gotta keep things in perspective. I’m an older dude now and I’ve seen the ebbs and flows of gun control. I also work for Uncle Sam and I can assure you nobody I’ve worked with would go collect weapons. If that order ever came down you’d be hard pressed to see it enforced. Look at the local jurisdictions that have tried it and the sheriffs say, no, we aren’t doing that. It may not be pretty, but the fight will be there.

 

[Ggreen]

It’s a long thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned already. Remember how long the bump stock ban took? It was over a year. Doesn’t the BATF have to publish the proposed rule change and let the public comment? Only after that can they ignore the comments and implement the change.

There are politicians who want to get rid of pistol braces, so I’m sure it’s being discussed. Gun owners have made it easy for them to ban braces by treating them like rifle stocks. ‘Incidental contact’ wasn’t a go ahead to make ‘pistols’ to circumvent the SBR requirements, but that’s how it was taken. We ruined a good thing and put a thousand videos on YouTube proving it. Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

They opened up a comment period, but they didn't read it. Bumpstocks took a long time due to several lawsuits and coming up with a way to redefine machine gun. The atf now has the foundation to rapidly change their own rulings on legality of accessories.

 

[Ggreen]

Well, yes, if you look historically NFA items have not been affected by AWBs. If you really think anyone in the US gov is coming to your house to take your guns away, you gotta keep things in perspective. I’m an older dude now and I’ve seen the ebbs and flows of gun control. I also work for Uncle Sam and I can assure you nobody I’ve worked with would go collect weapons. If that order ever came down you’d be hard pressed to see it enforced. Look at the local jurisdictions that have tried it and the sheriffs say, no, we aren’t doing that. It may not be pretty, but the fight will be there.

They are actively confiscating guns without due process. Even a member here. The processes and tactics are being developed to carry out door to door confiscations.

 

[Ggreen]

4473's aren't 100% registration until private sales without background checks are illegal.
Police: "Sir, we need to see your guns that are on these 4473's"
Me: "Uh, what guns? I've traded around for several years and all those guns I've sold or traded to a private party. Are not private sales legal?"

5 minutes after telling the atf goon to f himself.

ATF goon: judge we have reason to believe xxx XXXX bought a gun legally, that we decided is now an illegal assault weapon. Will you sign this warrant?

Judge- *rubberstamp

RIP doggo. Now since we're here let's take a look at your social media activity on all of your devices...

 

[JettaKnight]

They are actively confiscating guns without fire process. Even a member here. The processes and tactics are being developed to carry out door to door confiscations.

Not sure what "fire process" is, but yes, there was a confiscation, but there absolutely was due process. It's wasn't simply, "let's pick on ...[waves finger over a list of names]... Joe, and take his guns away because we can."


And the confiscation order was certainly not because of NFA items. (though some of the items were such).


I understand your point, but you carried it to FUD territory (not to be confused with "Fudd"). I certainly don't think it's unreasonable for someone to recommend getting an SBR stamp instead of some awkward buttstock that you have to be careful who sees you use it as it was actually intended to be used.

 

[Cameramonkey]

What have you been smoking. You seriously think the Antis will leave your precision items along. This is what they are hoping for, they aren't coming after "my guns", so no worries.

THIS. When the average mommy figures out that "machine guns" (and related scary NFA items) arent really completely totally banned and illegal, they'll want those gone too. I could see that being the next 1934/1968/20xx act. Just because its heavily regulated now wont protect you from the antis when they really want what you have and are scared of it.

Find a crime committed with an NFA gun by the actual owner, not a stolen NFA gun. Their whole argument now is background checks. Can’t get any more invasive than the NFA check. My point is that if you are worried about the flavor of the day with stocks, braces, attachments etc, just SBR it and you can do whatever without worry.

Doesnt matter. Their logic will be that "if Leonidas didnt have the controlled item in the first place, it couldnt have been stolen and then used in the crime! The fact that it exists is enough for them to want it to be gone. "

And the confiscation order was certainly not because of NFA items. (though some of the items were such).

Which as I recall, as reported some of it was, but was not properly registered if memory serves. So fair warning to anyone who has the attitude "what uncle sam doesnt know about wont hurt him." Until they accidentally find them. Oops.

 

[Brian's Surplus]

Well, yes, if you look historically NFA items have not been affected by AWBs. If you really think anyone in the US gov is coming to your house to take your guns away, you gotta keep things in perspective. I’m an older dude now and I’ve seen the ebbs and flows of gun control. I also work for Uncle Sam and I can assure you nobody I’ve worked with would go collect weapons. If that order ever came down you’d be hard pressed to see it enforced. Look at the local jurisdictions that have tried it and the sheriffs say, no, we aren’t doing that. It may not be pretty, but the fight will be there.

This is why they want a national red flag law. They wouldn't implement sweeping confiscation all at once, they could do it a little at a time. At first it would probably be people that actually are a little crazy, most people wouldn't object. After they get the population used to the idea then they can start digging through social media and start going after people with questionable opinions. The media is working to divide the country and attempting to lump groups of people together, even when they don't share the same beliefs (example: "all Trump supporters are racists and bigots"). They would begin taking firearms from "hate groups" and "domestic terrorists". From there it is a domino effect. If they do it slowly enough and people don't resist, it will never end until it's too late...

 

[Floivanus]

Oh boy, sounds like Shockwave-style shotguns with braces may be toast.

The issue is you CAN NOT take the folding brace into account for OAL (according to ATF, which makes complete sense on a pistol) the shotgun firearms rely on OAL to not be a SBS, without the brace they are NOT over 26” as there’s no smoothbore pistol the only choice is SBS

 

[Vigilant]

They are actively confiscating guns without due process. Even a member here. The processes and tactics are being developed to carry out door to door confiscations.

If you’re speaking of the member here last year, there was due process, and criminal charges filed. If and when he is acquitted, he’ll most likely get what’s left of his stuff back, in whatever condition they decide to give it back. Vigo county isn’t Marion County, they aren’t quite so leftist. The Sheriff at the time is a really good dude as well.