Breaking: Per SCOTUS, Same-Sex Marriage is now law of the land.

[steveh_131]

Apparently, you care enough to cast aspersions on an article you disagree with, even though you now admit that they might just be right.

I admitted no such thing. Did you miss the 'who cares' part?

I don't care how many contracts the government has to enforce. That is not how we measure the size of a government. Contract enforcement is a legitimate purpose of government.

Deciding the definition of 'marriage' and making sure nobody's feelings are hurt while doing so is not a legitimate purpose of government.

 

[cobber]

Let's see if there are any other ancient institutions we can 'improve' on. Not like it's going to complicate anything...

 

[motlyx1]

i do not force my christian beleifs on anyone and do not beleive theUSSC has a right to force others on me. i have the right to refuse or except.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

i do not force my christian beleifs on anyone and do not beleive theUSSC has a right to force others on me. i have the right to refuse or except.

Not if they deem you a "public accommodation"...then you have no such rights.

 

[cobber]

Not if they deem you a "public accommodation"...then you have no such rights.

I think the SCOTUS chambers qualify as a PA. Time for them to accommodate some folks...

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Pastors Now Legally Banned From Calling Gay Lifestyle "Sinful"...

 

[jamil]

Pastors Now Legally Banned From Calling Gay Lifestyle "Sinful"...

Wait a minute. This is just clickbait. It's not a law. It's an employment policy. If you're an employee of the government, don't be surprised that their employment policies restrict your speech. They're not telling pastors what they're allowed to believe or even preach IN THEIR OWN CHURCH! They're telling them what they can't say on the job as a counselor employed by them. No one is going to jail for violating it. They're just dismissed.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Wait a minute. This is just clickbait. It's not a law. It's an employment policy. If you're an employee of the government, don't be surprised that their employment policies restrict your speech. They're not telling pastors what they're allowed to believe or even preach IN THEIR OWN CHURCH! They're telling them what they can't say on the job as a counselor employed by them. No one is going to jail for violating it. They're just dismissed.

If you're hiring pastors to council people seeking help, ruling this one thing off limits to the type of council they are likely have a deeply held conviction on is political correctness running amok. Apparently it's ok to do what they're inclined to do regarding other issues, but not this one? Why are you hiring pastors if you want them to follow government approved scripts?

(Unless they're Presbytarian or episcopalian, then there's probably not even an issue--says a guy raised in a Presbytarian family).

 

[jamil]

If you're hiring pastors to council people seeking help, ruling this one thing off limits to the type of council they are likely have a deeply held conviction on is political correctness running amok. Apparently it's ok to do what they're inclined to do regarding other issues, but not this one? Why are you hiring pastors if you want them to follow government approved scripts?

(Unless they're Presbytarian or episcopalian, then there's probably not even an issue--says a guy raised in a Presbytarian family).

If you're a pastor and you want to freely counsel within your beliefs, why would you seek employment with the government? This probably isn't the only area where you're limited on what you can say.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

If you're a pastor and you want to freely counsel within your beliefs, why would you seek employment with the government? This probably isn't the only area where you're limited on what you can say.

Maybe. But to deny this one issue with which, by many reports people struggle with, might have a biblical/spiritual solution to some, seems to be tantamount to the government withholding a treatment only because some find it icky.

 

[jamil]

Maybe. But to deny this one issue with which, by many reports people struggle with, might have a biblical/spiritual solution to some, seems to be tantamount to the government withholding a treatment only because some find it icky.

My guess is that the state of Kentucky doesn't see that as a valid treatment, which it gets to decide. But none of that changes the fact that the article is pure clickbait designed to get Christians enraged at the new law banning preachers from preaching God's truth.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

My guess is that the state of Kentucky doesn't see that as a valid treatment, which it gets to decide. But none of that changes the fact that the article is pure clickbait designed to get Christians enraged at the new law banning preachers from preaching God's truth.

Close. Based on my observations on how things have evolved, the people running the deal follow the PC stance that no treatment is necessary and is offensive to even suggest. Funny though they can church it up with other struggles people may having though.

 

[IndyDave1776]

If you're a pastor and you want to freely counsel within your beliefs, why would you seek employment with the government? This probably isn't the only area where you're limited on what you can say.

As I understood it, this isn't a matter of restricting hired chaplains but rather pastors who are engaged in jail ministry in which their only connection with the government is having the door unlocked so they can walk in the building. At least in Indiana, it is amazing how, well, restrictive this can get, usually with procedural issues rather than censorship, but being picky about people who are not on the payroll can get pretty burdensome.

 

[BADWOLF]

Ok, ok, ok as much as I love watching straight people debate both sides of the gay marriage issue & wondering when the next holocaust is going to happen. But before we start throwing Christians to the lions & putting conservatives into " relocation camps". On this topic I think I'm going to be polite as ask permission to comment on some of this and field questions on this subject. If the posters on this thread are willing to listen to an often ostracized, and dismissed by the gay community " gay guy" with libertarian leanings that sides more with republicans than democrats. Then I'll post from what I'm going to call a unique perspective. If not interested I'll remain silent.....

 

[IndyDave1776]

Ok, ok, ok as much as I love watching straight people debate both sides of the gay marriage issue & wondering when the next holocaust is going to happen. But before we start throwing Christians to the lions & putting conservatives into " relocation camps". On this topic I think I'm going to be polite as ask permission to comment on some of this and field questions on this subject. If the posters on this thread are willing to listen to an often ostracized, and dismissed by the gay community " gay guy" with libertarian leanings that sides more with republicans than democrats. Then I'll post from what I'm going to call a unique perspective. If not interested I'll remain silent.....

I can speak only for myself, but I am a firm believer in the free expression of thought welcome the sharing of such a perspective, compatibility or incompatibility with my own thoughts notwithstanding.

 

[bwframe]

Ok, ok, ok as much as I love watching straight people debate both sides of the gay marriage issue & wondering when the next holocaust is going to happen. But before we start throwing Christians to the lions & putting conservatives into " relocation camps". On this topic I think I'm going to be polite as ask permission to comment on some of this and field questions on this subject. If the posters on this thread are willing to listen to an often ostracized, and dismissed by the gay community " gay guy" with libertarian leanings that sides more with republicans than democrats. Then I'll post from what I'm going to call a unique perspective. If not interested I'll remain silent.....

Welcome to the conversation! Yes, please contribute. Maybe I'll start following it again?

Can we keep the gay part without the libertarian?
Just kidding...
...well maybe.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Ok, ok, ok as much as I love watching straight people debate both sides of the gay marriage issue & wondering when the next holocaust is going to happen. But before we start throwing Christians to the lions & putting conservatives into " relocation camps". On this topic I think I'm going to be polite as ask permission to comment on some of this and field questions on this subject. If the posters on this thread are willing to listen to an often ostracized, and dismissed by the gay community " gay guy" with libertarian leanings that sides more with republicans than democrats. Then I'll post from what I'm going to call a unique perspective. If not interested I'll remain silent.....

I'm all ears bro. Everyone should have a voice here.

 

[BADWOLF]

Ok then well to start I'm not a big fan of gay marriage, when asked why I usually state that straight people need to keep that screwed up institution to themselves. And I really do feel for the ordained couple trying to run a business in I think Idaho where the city is trying to force them to perform gay weddings. I find that abhorrent and a direct affront to their personal rights. The USSC' decision to legalize gay marriage was directly aimed at federal and local government to insure equal protection under the law and not to be applied to individuals or businesses. Goverment entities must see every individual equaly with put exception individuals, bussinesses organizations should be allowed to exercise their conscience. And if it happened here in Indiana I know a small but vocal group of us queers that would stand with the business owner in their defense whether they wanted help from a bunch of homos or not, which I sure would make good liberal news headlines. I'll also quote another of my posts " and as far as in Nevada the gay pride flag should not be flown over any publicly owned building in any state, it's a personal symbol with personal meaning to a select group and not a symbol of all the people of the state that the building and it's purpose represent." But I don't think the majority of people even understand the meaning behind the rainbow flag, just saying. I grew up spending my summers on my grandparents farm bailing hay, running tractors and combines, playing in hay lofts, hiking , camping ,fishing, hunting, I think I am more of a truer representation of some one gay in middle America than any limp wristed, girly acting homo from California. To end this part I am having a bumper sticker made at our local mall of a pic I saw online that said " I'm proud to be an american, but ashamed of my government. " and I think more and more Americans are beginning to feel that way.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Ok then well to start I'm not a big fan of gay marriage, when asked why I usually state that straight people need to keep that screwed up institution to themselves. And I really do feel for the ordained couple trying to run a business in I think Idaho where the city is trying to force them to perform gay weddings. I find that abhorrent and a direct affront to their personal rights. The USSC' decision to legalize gay marriage was directly aimed at federal and local government and not to be applied to individuals or businesses. And if it happened here in Indiana I know a small but vocal group of us queers that would stand with the business owner in their defense, which I sure would make good liberal news headlines. I'll also quote another of my posts " and as far as in Nevada the gay pride flag should not be flown over any publicly owned building in any state, it's a personal symbol with personal meaning to a select group and not a symbol of all the people of the state that the building and it's purpose represent." But I don't think the majority of people even understand the meaning behind the rainbow flag, just saying. I grew up spending my summers on my grandparents farm bailing hay, running tractors and combines, playing in hay lofts, hiking , camping ,fishing, hunting, I think I am more of a truer representation of some one gay in middle America than any limp wristed, girly acting homo from California. To end this part I am having a bumper sticker made at our local mall of a pic I saw online that said " I'm proud to be an american, but ashamed of my government. " and I think more and more Americans are beginning to feel that way.

We appear to agree that everyone has the right to chart their own course and beliefs, the right to disagree with the choices and beliefs of others, but NOT the right to impose one's idea of right and proper on others aside from prohibiting acts which cause tangible harm.

As a reasonably conservative Christian, I believe homosexuality to be a sin. That doesn't mean that I am going to treat you like a leper. If I fail to persuade others to reach the same conclusions of their own accord without browbeating or legislating, I have failed as an example. My primary objection to gay marriage is a more practical one than a theological one. I believe that anyone should have the right to contractually share their worldly rights, privileges, and responsibilities. This is a phenomenon new to history and should be treated as such rather than redefining 'marriage' into something it never was. The big objection *drumroll* is that I find it inherently dangerous to allow government to redefine language, especially considering the mischief already done with the redefinition of the words 'reasonable', 'regulate', 'infringe', and the phrase 'general welfare'. I am sure I could come up with a few more, but this is what comes to mind. Given enough time, I am sure that Constitution-twisters could redefine the contents into saying whatever they want it to say even more than they already do.

Perhaps the most significant point you bring up is that you do not allow one aspect of your life to define you. As a result, from what you have said, you are willing to accept me as I am even if you may disagree with some of my positions and I am happy to do likewise.

Now, time to finish my drive-by of the new posts, feed the critters, and get busy! Have a great day!

 

[foszoe]

Ok then well to start I'm not a big fan of gay marriage, when asked why I usually state that straight people need to keep that screwed up institution to themselves. And I really do feel for the ordained couple trying to run a business in I think Idaho where the city is trying to force them to perform gay weddings. I find that abhorrent and a direct affront to their personal rights. The USSC' decision to legalize gay marriage was directly aimed at federal and local government to insure equal protection under the law and not to be applied to individuals or businesses. Goverment entities must see every individual equaly with put exception individuals, bussinesses organizations should be allowed to exercise their conscience. And if it happened here in Indiana I know a small but vocal group of us queers that would stand with the business owner in their defense whether they wanted help from a bunch of homos or not, which I sure would make good liberal news headlines. I'll also quote another of my posts " and as far as in Nevada the gay pride flag should not be flown over any publicly owned building in any state, it's a personal symbol with personal meaning to a select group and not a symbol of all the people of the state that the building and it's purpose represent." But I don't think the majority of people even understand the meaning behind the rainbow flag, just saying. I grew up spending my summers on my grandparents farm bailing hay, running tractors and combines, playing in hay lofts, hiking , camping ,fishing, hunting, I think I am more of a truer representation of some one gay in middle America than any limp wristed, girly acting homo from California. To end this part I am having a bumper sticker made at our local mall of a pic I saw online that said " I'm proud to be an american, but ashamed of my government. " and I think more and more Americans are beginning to feel that way.

You are headed to 50 quality posts, bravo!