Brown Bear, Wolf, Tula

[turnerdye1]

yea my gun isnt picky at all. right now it looks like ill be ordering sometime next this week. ill make sure to let you guys know what i get

 

[malern28us]

I would tell you to stay away from Golden Bear (copper washed steel case) I purchased 1000 rounds before ammo prices started going up a few years ago and have found that it is crap ammo. I average 3 "non ignition" of the primer out of every 50 rounds or so. My primer strikes look good, just no bang.

 

[unforgiven1203]

the brown bear seems loaded a little hotter than tula and seems to be more accurate too IMHO. My ar carbine loves that stuff.

 

[turnerdye1]

it sounds like brown bear is the way to go then. ill see if i can find some for a good steal

 

[lance]

Centerfire has tula ammo in 223 or 762x39 for 179.50, delivered for 195.17 Centerfiresystems.com

 

[762Mike]

I would tell you to stay away from Golden Bear (copper washed steel case) I purchased 1000 rounds before ammo prices started going up a few years ago and have found that it is crap ammo. I average 3 "non ignition" of the primer out of every 50 rounds or so. My primer strikes look good, just no bang.

What caliber? I have it in 762x39 and have no problems so far.

I've shot basically all the Russian 7.62x39 brands through AK's and no trouble with ANY of them that I can recall.

 

[turnerdye1]

Centerfire has tula ammo in 223 or 762x39 for 179.50, delivered for 195.17 Centerfiresystems.com

im gonna check into that right now

 

[turnerdye1]

another question

is there any differance between the HP and FMJ rounds? just havent seen much ballistic info on these cheaper rounds

 

[03A3]

I'm not sure what caliber you're looking at, but all of my AR's have functioned fine with hollow points.
On the other hand all of my AK's are finicky with hollow points, and big time unrealiable with soft points.

 

[turnerdye1]

yea itll be .223. ill end up getting 500 of each

 

[BulkAmmo]

Tula, TulAmmo, and Wolf are all made at the same Tula Cartridge factory in Tula, Russia. The Bear and Golden Tiger ammo is made at a different factory if I remember correctly. I haven't noticed a major difference between them other than the Bear being a little cleaner.

TulAmmo is really starting to pick up steam in the US market. I've only shot the 45 acp, .223 and 7.62x39. I haven't had any issues with any of the ammo.

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[Lucas156]

My AR eats brown bear without a hitch. Haven't tried the other stuff yet but I can vouch for brown bear and plan on buying it in bulk here soon

 

[turnerdye1]

ive found a whole bunch of bulk brown bear that ill be ordering later this week. i can get 1000rds for 222 shipped. good price?

 

[johntheplinker]

another question

is there any differance between the HP and FMJ rounds? just havent seen much ballistic info on these cheaper rounds

My comments are regarding 7.62x39, other calibers could be different. I did some testing a few years ago on whether there was any difference. And there is. I shot several rounds of each into a soggy rotten log just to see what happened. The FMJs would go through the log and left a good sized hole, like they came out sideways, and recovered bullets seem to confirm this. The HPs either basically blew up on contact and left a shallow hole, or bored straight through the log and left a small exit hole compared to the FMJs. On some of the ones I recovered the HP seemed to have collapsed on itself and didn't expand or tumble. Now, the SPs (Brown Bear 124 or 5 gr.) I shot all expanded quite nicely and left some huge holes as they exited.
As far as who made what, Wolf is a marketing brand only and they get their ammo from several different places: Tula, Ulyanovsk, and Novosibirsk among others. I've found that there can be quite a bit of difference in accuracy and performance depending on the lot. The Bears in all calibers AFAIK are all loaded at Barnual, and I've found their rifle ammo to be much more consistent. Brown Bear is my favorite as I've found the accuracy to better on average in my AKs an SKSs than Wolf. Another ammo you might want to try is Golden Tiger. Accuracy is as good as the Bear in my rifles and it seems to be a tad warmer. Drawbacks keeping it from being my favorite is that is cost more and availability is limited.

 

[johntheplinker]

I'm not sure what caliber you're looking at, but all of my AR's have functioned fine with hollow points.
On the other hand all of my AK's are finicky with hollow points, and big time unrealiable with soft points.

I've not had any problems with HPs, in 2 AKs and 2 SKSs, had a few problems with the SPs but a little polishing of the feed ramp solved that.

 

[turnerdye1]

im gonna stay away from SP

 

[Irishshooter]

got a box of 50 Tula 45 acp, fmj. at wal-mart Saturday and went to the range. The stuff was junk, 3 non ignitions out of the box. The primer strikes looked good it just did not fire.

 

[turnerdye1]

hmm interesting. im getting ready to order 1500 rounds of this stuff....

 

[gunman41mag]

I like using SILVER BEAR 62 gr. 223, doesn't give my AR-15 any problems

 

[mcolford]

Ok, I ran 1 box of TulAmmo .40 cal, had one not fire, had a good hit on the striker, but I ran it through twice, and nothing.

-MColford