Change My Mind, The Push For Electric Vehicles Is About Control...

[eldirector]

I don't think the "push" for electric has to do with control of the vehicle. More to do with moving the $$$ to the right pockets. Big money today is in power generation, especially so-called renewable power. Big money is NOT in fossil fuels. The push for electric vehicles is a push to charging rather than refueling, IMHO.

I like the idea of electric for in-town errands and commuting. I abhor the idea of electric for travel and even light/medium duty work. Since I refuse to buy a fleet of vehicles for specialized use, I'll buy one that instead meets the broadest needs. So, a 3/4-ton truck it is. When a full-electric can completely replace THAT, for a price I am willing to pay, then sure.... Until then, it simply does not make sense for me.

 

[Jludo]

Im not sure im convinced there isn't still big money in fossil fuels.

 

[KLB]

Im not sure im convinced there isn't still big money in fossil fuels.

No kidding.

Exxon Mobil is #2 on the Fortune 100 list, and there is this.
https://fortune.com/2019/12/06/the-worlds-most-valuable-company/

A much-watched step in the country’s goals to modernize and privatize parts of its economy, its state-owned oil business, Saudi Aramco, raised $25.6 billion in the world's largest IPO ever after pricing 3 billion shares at 32 riyals ($8.53) apiece.


The raise beats the largest yet—that of Alibaba’s in 2014—by about $600 million. It also crowns the company as the most valuable among publicly-traded companies right now.


Still, the road to becoming a publicly-traded firm has come with some missed expectations. The pricing values the company at about $1.7 trillion—shy of an earlier $2 trillion goal. One reason for the demand shortfall: Concerns over the company’s politics, governance, and impact on the environment, per Reuters.

 

[HoughMade]

Im not sure im convinced there isn't still big money in fossil fuels.

There sure is.

I mean, these people are trying to sell me on an electric leaf blower that costs $349, makes less....blow than my gas powered one, and lasts 13 minutes before needing a 45 minute recharge. I'll stick to my unleaded with 2 stroke oil, thanks.

...that's a little specific to me, but....

 

[WanderingSol07]

I have two Volts, both now driven by my sons so they do 99.99% driving on electric. I did about 85% on electric, enough on gas so it did not go 'stale' according to the car. I would normally go 4 weeks on total electric for my work commute and around town errands. About once a month was an out of town jaunt where I would use about 1/4 to 1/3 tank of gas. I usually had to buy gas 3 - 4 times a year, about 7 gallons each time.

I know the Volt is entering its last year, but I suspect GM will put the drive train into a larger SUV or a small pickup. A small pickup with a 120V outlet on the outside would make sense.

 

[Thor]

https://www.journal14.com/2019/12/0...to-wait-in-long-lines-to-recharge-their-cars/

1/2 mile lines to get into 40 spot charging stations on Black Friday in Komifornia. Quickest possible time to a full charge is 1hr. May range up to 10hr. Have a nice day with your coal fired car...also, no Black Friday deals for you!

 

[Jludo]

Are they going 200+ miles for black Friday sales? Just charge the car at home.

 

[Hohn]

I've an oil well and refinery in my back yard, so sure fossil fuel vehicles are more independent.

Wait, that's not right...but I could have solar panels and a windmill.

Certainly, fossil fuel vehicles are the better choice for cross country, but they still depend on a complex infrastructure.

Complex, yes. But very cost effective due to its massive scale.

Electric is also complex and cost effective due to massive scale. But the growing demand for transportation energy is much easier for the privatized fossil fuel market to handle than the Gov't-monopoly of electric grid. California and other places are already having rolling blackouts. What happens when you double or triple the grid load then try to solve that problem by gov't fiat and bureacracy?

I think we already know.

 

[KLB]

There sure is.

I mean, these people are trying to sell me on an electric leaf blower that costs $349, makes less....blow than my gas powered one, and lasts 13 minutes before needing a 45 minute recharge. I'll stick to my unleaded with 2 stroke oil, thanks.

...that's a little specific to me, but....

What were you looking at? My eGo blower last a lot longer than that on a charge, and takes much less time to charge.

I like the battery devices because I am horrible at maintaining gas ones.

 

[Jludo]

Complex, yes. But very cost effective due to its massive scale.

Electric is also complex and cost effective due to massive scale. But the growing demand for transportation energy is much easier for the privatized fossil fuel market to handle than the Gov't-monopoly of electric grid. California and other places are already having rolling blackouts. What happens when you double or triple the grid load then try to solve that problem by gov't fiat and bureacracy?

I think we already know.

I think the point was, what can you do with some tools in your garage. Electric wins on that front. Being a private market doesnt make gasoline any safer if your fear is a globalist socialist takeover of transportation.

 

[Route 45]

While not the only reason, I believe one of the globalist/socialist goals is to reduce citizens mobility and independence. Fossil fuel powered vehicles are far more independent than electric/battery powered vehicles. Without guns and fossil fuel powered vehicles defense against unconstitutional actions becomes extremely difficult.

This is not a concern to me. I lost my gas-powered F450 Ram Denali in a tragic boating accident.

 

[Ingomike]

Too funny, I don't often see threads on rechargeable electric bug out vehicles either here or on prepper sites. But some of you should write those articles for the prepper sites as apparently they need to know this. LOL

 

[Tombs]

While not the only reason, I believe one of the globalist/socialist goals is to reduce citizens mobility and independence. Fossil fuel powered vehicles are far more independent than electric/battery powered vehicles. Without guns and fossil fuel powered vehicles defense against unconstitutional actions becomes extremely difficult.

How are fossil fuel vehicles independent? All the state has to do is shut down the transport of gasoline and you're SOL.

Electric vehicles are already achieving ranges far greater than gasoline powered cars, and you can provide the power to charge them easily in your back yard. You don't even need the grid, solar and wind is plenty to provide yourself mobility.

And new battery technology is only a couple years away, with the sodium glass solid state battery, which will see these ranges pushed out past 700 miles per charge. Gasoline is just starting to look impractical and too easily controlled by the state.

 

[Jludo]

Too funny, I don't often see threads on rechargeable electric bug out vehicles either here or on prepper sites. But some of you should write those articles for the prepper sites as apparently they need to know this. LOL

Doesn't sound like you actually wanted your mind changed.

 

[churchmouse]

How are fossil fuel vehicles independent? All the state has to do is shut down the transport of gasoline and you're SOL.

Electric vehicles are already achieving ranges far greater than gasoline powered cars, and you can provide the power to charge them easily in your back yard. You don't even need the grid, solar and wind is plenty to provide yourself mobility.

And new battery technology is only a couple years away, with the sodium glass solid state battery, which will see these ranges pushed out past 700 miles per charge. Gasoline is just starting to look impractical and too easily controlled by the state.

This is being heavily discussed and not leaning the way you state it.
Over here.….https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...what-you-guys-think-about-electric-truck.html

 

[K_W]

A 100% solar powered car would negate the issue the OP sees and actually make people more mobile.

There isn't even enough solar energy hitting the equator on a cloudless June day at noon to power a Geo Metro (Solar energy that hits earth = (< 5kwh / m^2 / 8hrs) )

At 40 deg latitude we get 600w sq/m RAW energy from the sun in summer with no clouds... with a car covered in panels (factoring losses in the panels, wiring, inverters, and friction) you'd be lucky to run a blender.

 

[churchmouse]

There isn't even enough solar energy hitting the equator on a cloudless June day at noon to power a Geo Metro (Solar energy that hits earth = (< 5kwh / m^2 / 8hrs) )

At 40 deg latitude we get 600w sq/m RAW energy from the sun in summer with no clouds... with a car covered in panels (factoring losses in the panels, wiring, inverters, and friction) you'd be lucky to run a blender.

And this is the current state of the technology. It is useless as in full time.

 

[dsol]

And new battery technology is only a couple years away, with the sodium glass solid state battery, which will see these ranges pushed out past 700 miles per charge. Gasoline is just starting to look impractical and too easily controlled by the state.

When this happens, I may look into one as a daily driver. Doesn't mean I'm not keeping my old 98 Dakota to occasionally haul stuff and my 03 Acura CL-S zippy car for fun driving. That thing is a hoot... Honda reliability, 260 hp, 6 speed manual transmission, wide sticky tires, limited slip diff... if it were only rear wheel drive or AWD, it would be perfect. As it is, I still drive the damn thing like a 19 year old (am 54) and it puts a grin on my face. I miss my old Triumph that is my avatar, but the Acura helps when I don't feel the need to slow down for a corner or run it up to 6500 RPM to cut through traffic.

 

[Hawkeye]

You can build an electric big rig, but with all of the batteries required to run it, you wouldn't be able to haul much.

https://www.tesla.com/semi

 

[Thor]

Are they going 200+ miles for black Friday sales? Just charge the car at home.

Yet there were the lines. The brochure approach does not reflect the experienced reality. The gas stations were open with a 5 min wait to fill the tank...paying the Komifornia surplus for not waiting in the line for electric of course.