Change My Mind, The Push For Electric Vehicles Is About Control...

[Thor]

Also, the existing power grid can barely stand up to a hot day in the summer and now folks want to transfer all the energy expended on the roadways to that same grid...and they want that power to be produced by avian slaying pinwheels and sun tan absorbers. That future is dark.

 

[ATOMonkey]

We are being pushed to zero emissions based on feelings rather than thoughts or facts.

The only way to independently transport yourself is with a horse or an ox (or your own feet I suppose). Until we get cellulose fuel cells up and running, that is pretty much your only option. Cellulose, because running on plant material is really the only viable independent energy option.

As others have stated, HC fuel requires massive infrastructure, as does most electric power. Solar and wind make such small amounts of power that it is laughable for transportation needs. It will power your LED lights, and tech gadgets in your house, and solar energy does a better job of making hot water than electricity, so you could heat it as well, but that's about all you'll be able to do.

Once again, it's just math. 2 + 2 is never going to equal 200, which is the dream.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'll be on board with electric vehicles when I decide they make sense to me- full stop. For the way I use a vehicle, electrics are not ready for prime time. For me, politics, the environment or how the neighbors view me have 0% with how I decide what vehicle to buy. It's all cost to me will it work for what I need it for, and does it have the features I want.

I've made this (almost the same) statement to others in conversation. When I can drive as far as my bladder can hold out, completely re-charge in the time it takes me to go to the restroom, and the batteries last 250,000 miles at at least 98% capacity, I'll gladly buy one.

But the greenies will not wait around for technology and the markets to naturally arrive at this point. They have a long established practice of making expensive energy seem cheap by making cheap energy expensive.

 

[JettaKnight]

Now it's Tuesday, and we still don't have enough coffee. Beside, GFGT is right, I got work to do.

Doesn't sound like you actually wanted your mind changed.

Bless your heart, you must be new here.



Bicycles FTW. That's all I got. Maybe horses, too. Let's get Trump to restart that buggy whip industry.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Now it's Tuesday, and we still don't have enough coffee. Beside, GFGT is right, I got work to do.




Bless your heart, you must be new here.



Bicycles FTW. That's all I got. Maybe horses, too. Let's get Trump to restart that buggy whip industry.

Nope. Horses fart. That's a non-starter.

 

[ATOMonkey]

Nope. Horses fart. That's a non-starter.

When gasoline powered vehicle were first invented, they were marketed as "zero emissions". Cities were literally drowning in horse ****.

Funny how it all comes full circle.

 

[MCgrease08]

https://www.tesla.com/semi

What Tesla puts on their website and what's actually feasible and realistic right now don't always line up.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

GFGT is right

I never get tired of hearing that.

I seldomly hear it but I never get tired of it.

 

[Leadeye]

I never get tired of hearing that.

I seldomly hear it but I never get tired of it.

QFT.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

QFT.

 

[radar8756]

Egg Shells and Banana peels = 88 mph

 

[BugI02]

I've made this (almost the same) statement to others in conversation. When I can drive as far as my bladder can hold out, completely re-charge in the time it takes me to go to the restroom, and the batteries last 250,000 miles at at least 98% capacity, I'll gladly buy one.

But the greenies will not wait around for technology and the markets to naturally arrive at this point. They have a long established practice of making expensive energy seem cheap by making cheap energy expensive.

I'm totally stealing that

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'm totally stealing that

that’s only fair. I stole it from something someone said or wrote a few years ago.

 

[ATOMonkey]

Egg Shells and Banana peels = 88 mph

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378775313018399

Cellulose Fuel Cell.

 

[HoughMade]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378775313018399

Cellulose Fuel Cell.

No....that's the Mr. Fusion not some old-tech fuel cell.

E-MC^2.

73 grams of peel and shells= 6.6 x 10^13 Joules by fusion..of course a little waste, but better than an old fuel cell.

 

[Ingomike]

Now it's Tuesday, and we still don't have enough coffee. Beside, GFGT is right, I got work to do.




Bless your heart, you must be new here.



Bicycles FTW. That's all I got. Maybe horses, too. Let's get Trump to restart that buggy whip industry.

The simple answers start to fall apart upon detailed examination. Had a friend that rode 10k a year on his bike in all weather, he had no car or even a license, so the bike was his transportation to work and grocery etc. Wonder what the carbon footprint of all that additional food he ate would be versus a car? He ate near 6k in calories when he was riding a lot.

 

[BugI02]

Less than that of a [STRIKE]fat slob[/STRIKE] typical American who also eats 6k calories but doesn't exercise, because he uses his calories more efficiently. Typical American eats that much and still drives everywhere, so no offsetting decrease in carbon footprint for replacing driving with cycling/walking

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Ever seen JJ Watts 9,000 calorie diet? Good lord!!

 

[BugI02]

Ever seen JJ Watts 9,000 calorie diet? Good lord!!

The typical GC guy in the Tour de France rides 100 to 200 miles per day, every day for 21 days except for two rest days, often up and down slopes averaging from 6 to 9 degrees for thousands of feet of vertical gain. They generally are around 2 lbs per inch of height, eat 4 to 6000 calories per day, and lose weight during the contest (often as much as 8 to 10 lbs)

 

[DoggyDaddy]

The typical GC guy in the Tour de France rides 100 to 200 miles per day, every day for 21 days except for two rest days, often up and down slopes averaging from 6 to 9 degrees for thousands of feet of vertical gain. They generally are around 2 lbs per inch of height, eat 4 to 6000 calories per day, and lose weight during the contest (often as much as 8 to 10 lbs)

*Doing math* Well crap. I'm not overweight, I'm just too short!