Charlottesville Thread by Popular Demand.....

[Dddrees]

The POTUS did denounce it. You were even provided with the links showing he denounced it. Serious question; are seeking an honest discussion, or do you just want to rail against the current Administration?



Just remember, if the Protection of Lawful Commerce Act was repealed then those injured and their families could sue Dodge. Yet this is what those seeking to degrade the 2A seek.



I don't see the benefit in picking sides in this dispute. The events in Virginia concern the violent fringes of two extreme ideologies, both of which were intent on violence rather than peaceable assembly. The best action to take is to denounce both sides, otherwise unless you share the core ideologies of these groups you are unintentionally legitimizing them.

Yeah, NO!! Don't think so.

 

[Dddrees]

Party Of Lincoln??

Don't think so.

 

[OakRiver]

Hate incedents increase since the election of Trump:

Hate in America: A list of racism, bigotry, and abuse since the election.

U.S. Hate Crimes Up 20 Percent in 2016, Fueled by Election Campaign: Report - NBC News


Hate crime rising, report activists at Illinois attorney general's summit - Chicago Tribune


Increased Noose, Hate Crimes In America | Essence.com

That's an interesting argument you are making there based on correlation rather than causation. If we follow your logic we end up with some interesting results;
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2011/tables/table-1
2011 Anti-White hate crime incidents = 577 (16.3%)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2012...d_known_offenders_by_bias_motivation_2012.xls
2012 anti-White hate crime incidents = 734 (22% of all incidents)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2013...d_known_offenders_by_bias_motivation_2013.xls
2013 anti-White hate crime incidents = 728 (21.2% of all incidents)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2014/tables/table-1
2014 anti-White hate crime incidents = 701 (22.7% of all incidents)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2015/tables-and-data-declarations/1tabledatadecpdf
2015 anti-White hate crime incidents = 734 (22.7% of all incidents)

So during Obama's tenure there was a steady rise in anti-White violence with a 27.21% increase in incidents based on the available figures. Would you say that Obama fueled anti-White violence as you insinuate that Trump is responsible for this increase during his tenure?

 

[OakRiver]

Yeah, NO!! Don't think so.

No you don't so as in;
- no you don't think that he denounced it (in spite of the actual evidence that he did)
- no you don't think you are interested in an honest discussion
- no you don't think there is no benefit to picking sides between white supremacists and anarcho-communists

 

[Roadie]

 

[jamil]

Well it does seem that you and Jamil are all about trying to get me to understand the other side but there hardly seems like a willingness to go the opposite way.

I'm not alt right.

Are you saying that you think I'm not trying to get the alt right to understand your position?

 

[Dddrees]

No you don't so as in;
- no you don't think that he denounced it (in spite of the actual evidence that he did)
- no you don't think you are interested in an honest discussion
- no you don't think there is no benefit to picking sides between white supremacists and anarcho-communists

Let me clarify then.

No he didn't.

 

[Dddrees]

I'm not alt right.

Are you saying that you think I'm not trying to get the alt right to understand your position?

No, it almost sounds like you have reluctance to understand the other side.

 

[Dddrees]

I'm hungry, any chance you could spare some?

 

[OakRiver]

Let me clarify then.

No he didn't.

If you cannot accept the established fact that Trump denounced the violence at Virginia then I cannot see a way to meaningfully progress this discussion.

 

[Dddrees]

That's an interesting argument you are making there based on correlation rather than causation. If we follow your logic we end up with some interesting results;
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2011/tables/table-1
2011 Anti-White hate crime incidents = 577 (16.3%)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2012...d_known_offenders_by_bias_motivation_2012.xls
2012 anti-White hate crime incidents = 734 (22% of all incidents)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2013...d_known_offenders_by_bias_motivation_2013.xls
2013 anti-White hate crime incidents = 728 (21.2% of all incidents)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2014/tables/table-1
2014 anti-White hate crime incidents = 701 (22.7% of all incidents)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2015/tables-and-data-declarations/1tabledatadecpdf
2015 anti-White hate crime incidents = 734 (22.7% of all incidents)

So during Obama's tenure there was a steady rise in anti-White violence with a 27.21% increase in incidents based on the available figures. Would you say that Obama fueled anti-White violence as you insinuate that Trump is responsible for this increase during his tenure?

What did it look like during Bush's Presidency? Any chance this might be a trend that just continued during Obamas Presidency?

 

[Dddrees]

If you cannot accept the established fact that Trump denounced the violence at Virginia then I cannot see a way to meaningfully progress this discussion.

No problem this happens. I guess we'll agree to disagree.

 

[ghitch75]

for the second time.....


Trump condemns 'white supremacists,' other extremists behind deadly Virginia rallies | Fox News

 

[OakRiver]

What did it look like during Bush's Presidency? Any chance this might be a trend that just continued during Obamas Presidency?

Why the pivot? Are you unable to address the fact that, according to the logic you advanced, that if Trump is responsible for an increase in hate crime during his tenure that it is arguable Obama is also held to the same standard?

 

[Dddrees]

Why the pivot? Are you unable to address the fact that, according to the logic you advanced, that if Trump is responsible for an increase in hate crime during his tenure that it is arguable Obama is also held to the same standard?

No pivot. It looks bad, but the question remains. In fact even better let's see what it looks like under Trump after a yr, then 2yrs and so on.

 

[OakRiver]

No pivot. It looks bad, but the question remains. In fact even better let's see what it looks like under Trump after a yr, then 2yrs and so on.

And what about the rates of anti-white hate crimes during the tenure of the previous POTUS; do you think it it appropriate to hold him to the same standard you hold the current POTUS?
If not why not.

 

[ghitch75]

she is out of her mind.....

Maxine Waters Blames Trump for White Nationalist Riots: Your Side, Not Many Sides | Fox News Insider

 

[Dddrees]

And what about the rates of anti-white hate crimes during the tenure of the previous POTUS; do you think it it appropriate to hold him to the same standard you hold the current POTUS?
If not why not.

Lets try it this way. Maybe your right. But since we're discussing this why don't we bring in all the relevant data whatever it is so we can better determine what this specific data indicates. I think previous historical data to be relative to this discussion. Frankly I think it would also be great to compare it to Trumps data as well. Certainly that is impossible at this point, but since he is the Law and Order canidate it most assuredly will be relevant when it does come out.

 

[jamil]

No, it almost sounds like you have reluctance to understand the other side.

Um. I'm not alt right. Are you saying I am relictant to understand my own side?

 

[OakRiver]

Lets try it this way. Maybe your right. But since we're discussing this why don't we bring in all the relevant data whatever it is so we can better determine what this specific data indicates. I think previous historical data to be relative to this discussion. Frankly I think it would also be great to compare it to Trumps data as well. Certainly that is impossible at this point, but since he is the Law and Order canidate it most assuredly will be relevant when it does come out.

It isn't my argument, it's yours. We already have the historic data you seek, and it has been analyzed. During Obama's tenure anti-white hate crimes increased over 27%. Was Obama responsible for that increase during his tenure as you are claiming that Trump is responsible for the increase in hate crimes during his tenure?