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    PistolBob

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    "Not 100 people in the United States hate the Roman Catholic Church, but millions hate what they mistakenly think the Roman Catholic Church is.” Archbishop Fulton Sheen
     

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    "Not 100 people in the United States hate the Roman Catholic Church, but millions hate what they mistakenly think the Roman Catholic Church is.” Archbishop Fulton Sheen

    Ok, we are free to elaborate. What is misunderstood? Do you think Martin Luther was confused when he wrote 95 theses on the Catholic Church?
     

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    Salvation through works instead of faith alone, an "infallible" human called the pope, praying to people instead of God, confessing sins to people instead of God, the invented idea of "Purgatory," holding human tradition up with a greater authority than the Bible... and many more. These were the among the bases for the Protestant Reformation 500 years ago. (Christians "protested" Catholicism and left the Catholic church.)

    What is the difference between Catholics and Protestants?

    The protestants starting leaving in about 400AD, then Luther and his followers came around in 1520 AD...in 700 AD Muhammad was inventing his thing....interesting to note that Fundamentalism isn't even 150 years old. It's certainly interesting, the study of Christianity.
     
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    The protestants starting leaving in about 400AD, then Luther and his followers came around in 700AD...about the same time Muhammad was inventing his thing....interesting to note that Fundamentalism isn't even 150 years old. It's certainly interesting, the study of Christianity.

    Martin Luther lived 1483-1546.
     

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    So nothing. The topic of extraterrestrial life came up and I was simply stating that Christianity and extraterrestrial life are not necessarily incompatible.
    No, you stated that Catholicism and extraterrestrial life are not necessarily incompatible.
    What else do you find offensive and contrary to scripture?
    With Catholicism? Where do I begin...

    Well, let's start with the notion of a pope.
    Then Mariology.
    Then confession.
    Then transubstantiation.
    Then prohibition on birth control.
    Then the openness to other religions as viable paths to salvation.
    Then the objection to sola scriptura.
    Then the imposed chastity.


    Is that enough to start?

    That's not even getting into all the dirty laundry of the past. You can't change history, but you can attempt to avoid repetition.

    And what's so great about Latin?
     
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    The protestants starting leaving in about 400AD, then Luther and his followers came around in 700AD...about the same time Muhammad was inventing his thing....interesting to note that Fundamentalism isn't even 150 years old. It's certainly interesting, the study of Christianity.

    You're so far off on your dates that it's ludicrous. Martin Luther wasn't even born till 1483 and the Council of Nicaea didn't even take place till 325 CE. There were no protestants until after Luther and his declarations, some 1000 years after your assertions.
     

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    I offer this one to the forum as something for both religious and non-religious to agree on :)

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    No, you stated that Catholicism and extraterrestrial life are not necessarily incompatible.

    You do know that Catholics are, in fact, Christians...right? As a result, Catholicism not being incompatible with extraterrestrial life means that Christianity is not necessarily incompatible with extraterrestrial life.
     

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    Salvation through works instead of faith alone, an "infallible" human called the pope, praying to people instead of God, confessing sins to people instead of God, the invented idea of "Purgatory," holding human tradition up with a greater authority than the Bible... and many more. These were the among the bases for the Protestant Reformation 500 years ago. (Christians "protested" Catholicism and left the Catholic church.)

    What is the difference between Catholics and Protestants?


    Salvation thru works instead of faith alone? So are you saying a person that likes to rape 5 year old boys but believes in GOD will go to heaven? Especially when he has no remorse what so ever for all the sins he has committed?

    Confessing sins to a priest instead of GOD? I can't remember where at, but in the Bible, Jesus gave the power to his disciples to listen to sins, and to forgive. The Catholic Church teaches that priests have this same power.

    Purgatory, is not invented. It is written about in the bible, but never mentioned by name. And why do people think Purgatory is such a bad thing? You'll be baptized and cleansed by fire. Right now, we are not clean and holy and pure enough to enter paradise. Purgatory just makes us presentable.
     

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    No, you stated that Catholicism and extraterrestrial life are not necessarily incompatible.

    With Catholicism? Where do I begin...

    Well, let's start with the notion of a pope.
    Then Mariology.
    Then confession.
    Then transubstantiation.
    Then prohibition on birth control.
    Then the openness to other religions as viable paths to salvation.
    Then the objection to sola scriptura.
    Then the imposed chastity.


    Is that enough to start?

    Sola Scriptura...the ancient Catholics translated the Bible from Greek, and Hebrew around 400 AD. Translated it to the vernacular of the time, Latin. Now St. Jerome and a few others sat down and had to work with Church Fathers to decide what stories went in...what stories stayed out. Some books not considered as inspired didn't make it...read the preface to the King James Bible sometime...it's rooted in the Roman Vulgate and the early translations from 400 AD...except in this Kings version they took out some stories they didn't feel were really inspired...just like Luther did...and in the last 1600 years it's been edited and edited...and reinterpreted by men...scholarly men no doubt but consider this might be why the Protestant idea of Sola Scriptura (by scripture alone) isn't a part of the Roman Catholic Church.
     

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    Purgatory, is not invented. It is written about in the bible, but never mentioned by name. And why do people think Purgatory is such a bad thing? You'll be baptized and cleansed by fire. Right now, we are not clean and holy and pure enough to enter paradise. Purgatory just makes us presentable.
    Let's not forget the Catholics added several books during the counter-reformation. Therefore, when you say "it's in the Bible", we can say, "No it's not."
     

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    Salvation thru works instead of faith alone? So are you saying a person that likes to rape 5 year old boys but believes in GOD will go to heaven? Especially when he has no remorse what so ever for all the sins he has committed?
    How can one believe without repentance? Are you going to claim that Christ's atonement has limitations on what sins it can cover?
    Confessing sins to a priest instead of GOD? I can't remember where at, but in the Bible, Jesus gave the power to his disciples to listen to sins, and to forgive. The Catholic Church teaches that priests have this same power.
    If you can't cite, I can't refute.
    Purgatory, is not invented. It is written about in the bible, but never mentioned by name. And why do people think Purgatory is such a bad thing? You'll be baptized and cleansed by fire. Right now, we are not clean and holy and pure enough to enter paradise. Purgatory just makes us presentable.

    So Christ's death wasn't enough for salvation? I find that hard to swallow.
     

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    Sola Scriptura...the ancient Catholics translated the Bible from Greek, and Hebrew around 400 AD. Translated it to the vernacular of the time, Latin. Now St. Jerome and a few others sat down and had to work with Church Fathers to decide what stories went in...what stories stayed out. Some books not considered as inspired didn't make it...read the preface to the King James Bible sometime...it's rooted in the Roman Vulgate and the early translations from 400 AD...except in this Kings version they took out some stories they didn't feel were really inspired...just like Luther did...and in the last 1600 years it's been edited and edited...and reinterpreted by men...scholarly men no doubt but consider this might be why the Protestant idea of Sola Scriptura (by scripture alone) isn't a part of the Roman Catholic Church.

    I'm going to have to take a raincheck on arguing about what's cannonical as my wife is on the way to pick me up. I feel like a kid at the playground and mom's calling me home.
     

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    Salvation thru works instead of faith alone?* So are you saying a person that likes to rape 5 year old boys but believes in GOD will go to heaven? Especially when he has no remorse what so ever for all the sins he has committed?

    The Apostle Paul was known as Saul before his conversion. He worked for the Pharisees and was essentially a thug for the Jewish elite. He literally went house to house hunting Christians so they could be put to death. He was feared by Christians and was one of the most prolific persecutors of the church. (See Acts 8)

    And then the resurrected Christ appeared to him and he became one of the greatest champions for Jesus. A murderer, he wrote most of the books of the New Testament.

    So, yes, ANYONE can be saved through faith. But if they have no remorse, they deny their sins, they have no faith.

    Purgatory, is not invented. It is written about in the bible, but never mentioned by name. And why do people think Purgatory is such a bad thing? You'll be baptized and cleansed by fire. Right now, we are not clean and holy and pure enough to enter paradise. Purgatory just makes us presentable.

    The blood of Christ makes believers presentable. Nothing else can substitute. If you find yourself on fire, its too late.

    "And by that will, we have been made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Christ once and for all." Hebrews 10:10

    So then why does Hell exist?

    For unbelievers.
     

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    "Not 100 people in the United States hate the Roman Catholic Church, but millions hate what they mistakenly think the Roman Catholic Church is.” Archbishop Fulton Sheen

    This is the opening sentence from Archbishop's Fulton Sheen's Preface to the book Radio Replies, which was a transcript of a radio program which aired out of Sydney, Australia for about 5 years in the mid-1950s in which people could write in with questions about Catholicism and they would be answered on the air. I have a copy of the book which consists of three volumes. It is an extremely well articulated piece and remains amazingly relevant to this day.
     
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