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  • M67

    Grandmaster
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    Jan 15, 2011
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    M67 and thompal, you missed the point. No, most people don't disassemble their car engines weekly but they don't bet their life on that car working. Guess how often professional race car driver's have their engines disassembled. And this is only to win races and make a living off of engines. They are not waiting until the engine fails every time. They replace worn parts before they break, clean things and make critical adjustments.
    Another foreign concept to some is routine maintenance on an engine. Oil changes, filters, plugs/wires, belts and hoses. Others wait until something fails and then fix it, normally at a higher cost/ down time/ aggregation level.
    I don't detail strip my EDC weekly. Field strip, wipe, look, move on. Some don't understand or care that dirt/dust/crap causes added wear on finishes and moving parts. Things like lint, certain dusts, powder residues and dirt is hydroscopic and absorbs moisture from the air. Moisture can lead to corrosion.
    I spent a few months, in the Army, taking a Light Weapons Specialist course. It covered 50 weapons, from a .38 revolver to the M2 .50 cal BMG. Every single weapon in that course had at least one thing in common. A block of instruction on cleaning/maintenance. The Army has a time tested system for just about every piece of equipment, called PMCS. Preventative Maintenance Checks and Services. Usually involves a Before, During and After use schedule. Things like weapons also normally had a Weekly, Monthly and Yearly maintenance schedule attached.
    The guy that beats his chest and says, "Yep, I sometimes literally craw through mud with my pistol on, but I'll clean it whenever I feel like it", obviously doesn't understand these things, never had anyone teach him these things or isn't willing to sacrifice 5 minutes a week of knuckle dragging and ball scratching to improve his odds by maintaining the most important tool he has chosen to carry.


    I'd rather not have my engine fail on me and have a catastrophic failure when I'm on the interstate going 80mph. Yes, race car drivers have their engine worked on a lot, race engines get a lot more abuse than standard engines, and even with them constantly maintaining them, it's almost a guarantee that 1 driver will blow their engine during a race. Competitive shooters clean their guns a little more regularly because they shoot them more, but still, a lot of shooters go 1K, 2K, 5K rounds before cleaning. Some guns of mine, just with life and powder availability, it takes a little while for me to reach 5k rounds.

    I was raised that you should clean your guns every time you shoot them and so were most people here. "The smell of Hoppes [puke] and cleanin' guns is my history" and people still act like if they keep their firearm spotless they'll get a cookie. I realized long ago that firearms are pieces of machinery and originally designed to take abuse and pretty much survive wars. Plus, I like, need, to know what they will take before I can't rely on them anymore.

    It took 15k rounds before my Buckmark wouldn't work anymore, it had so much powder residue in it it was hilarious. I've shot my Kimber full of WWII corrosive ball ammo and my reloads and only cleaning it after all the corrosive stuff was shot, was only 1000 rounds, but it took me a little while and I let that crud sit in it for 5 months or so (can't shoot when you work 7 days a week). I didn't wear it out and it had no rust or corrosion or ill affects. None of my ARs have been cleaned since I started getting into them 2 or 3 years ago. List goes on.

    Let's say someone spends 3K in "the most durable, dependable firearm EVAR!!!" and someone invests in a Jennings they got for $50 that does the same thing (let's assume it's a handgun because of the POS Jennings). If you're going to clean your 3K epitome of firearm design after every shot through it and wipe it with a diaper, then why don't they just get the Jennings, baby that, and pocket the $2950 they saved?

    Also cleaning chemicals can be harsh. Sweets 762 is nasty shat, Hoppes used to be strong enough to remove bluing and you still don't want to put Hoppes on nickel because it'll eat it. So certain cleaning chemicals, combined with metal brushes and scrubbing, how is that any safer on a firearm that just leaving my crud in there?

    I have a gunsmith friend who runs his guns dirty and cleans them when they hit a round count or they start acting up, he also shoots competitively. We both clean our revolvers after every shooting because of the face of the cylinder and because leaded barrels are a PITA unless you have mercury. But semi autos were designed to shoot...and shoot....and shoot.

    I started leaving my guns dirty because there's so many people out there who praise their AK (ehh) because of it's durability and no one complains that they don't clean their AK (probably because it's an AK). I personally, just want to see how dependable my guns are. If something ever happens to where something gets fubar, it's going to happen many many tens of thousands of rounds down the road and what's why gun manufactures have warranties. Plus I bet their warranty department would love to see a gun shot out because it doesn't happen a lot compared to the amount of squib loads blowing up a gun, over powdered loads blowing up, other barrel obstructions, or someone who broke something or stripped a screw by overzealous cleaning
     

    mpd

    Marksman
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    2   1   0
    Aug 10, 2014
    198
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    Westfield
    I haven't cleaned my G19 for a year and it's had 1000-2000 rounds through it.
    Might clean it on new years day.
    Glocks will run just fine clean or dirty. No worries.

    What do you use to clean?

    I have been using hoppes on my wheel gun, but I don't like how it seems to leave a slight residue and carbon seems to gather by the trigger area.

    I was looking at ballistal. Any opinions?
     

    ScouT6a

    Master
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    13   1   0
    Mar 11, 2013
    1,732
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    Mpd,
    I have not been very impressed with using Ballistal to clean my modern firearms. I have pretty much regulated it to use as a patch lube for black powder. Maybe someone else will weigh in with more information.
     

    snowwalker

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    10   0   0
    Apr 13, 2009
    1,126
    48
    In the sticks
    In the car situation I guess losing your brakes or blowing a tire on the highway is not life threating? How about this, how many people driving towards YOU really should not be driving? You put your life in THEIR hands everyday and some of these same people have judgment skills so bad they believe the liberals!
     

    VN Vet

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    8   0   0
    Aug 26, 2008
    2,781
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    Indianapolis
    I clean my pistols and Rifles at least one a year also. I like getting them out (usually in February) and handling and cleaning them. It takes me about a week to go through them, because I clean all my familys and some of my friends firearms. I like doing such chores.
     

    halfmileharry

    Grandmaster
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    65   0   0
    Dec 2, 2010
    11,450
    99
    South of Indy
    Cm and I were texting about similar things a day or so ago. Some own maybe one gun and if lucky a box of shells. That combination might work for them for a couple of years or even longer.
    I'm an active shooter, collector (only 'cause I attract them like strays), try to stay ahead and on top of the shooting and self defense game.
    Yea, I have more than one gun and a Barney Boolit, I dirty my guns up regularly and have guns that get shot on a regular basis that are older than most members. AND They're all original and in excellent condition..
    I know what it takes to keep a gun in good working condition and keep 'em pretty.
    Lots of non shooters and 'net 'ninjas I take with a grain of salt.
    Keep your guns clean in case you have a wreck. WAIT.....that was underwear....Sorry Ma.
     

    singlesix

    Grandmaster
    Industry Partner
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    1   0   0
    May 13, 2008
    7,219
    27
    Indianapolis, In
    Mpd,
    I have not been very impressed with using Ballistal to clean my modern firearms. I have pretty much regulated it to use as a patch lube for black powder. Maybe someone else will weigh in with more information.

    Gets the powder residue off pretty well, so far no issues, going on for about two years.
     

    SSGSAD

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    14   0   0
    Dec 22, 2009
    12,404
    48
    Town of 900 miles
    M67 and thompal, you missed the point. No, most people don't disassemble their car engines weekly but they don't bet their life on that car working. Guess how often professional race car driver's have their engines disassembled. And this is only to win races and make a living off of engines. They are not waiting until the engine fails every time. They replace worn parts before they break, clean things and make critical adjustments.
    Another foreign concept to some is routine maintenance on an engine. Oil changes, filters, plugs/wires, belts and hoses. Others wait until something fails and then fix it, normally at a higher cost/ down time/ aggregation level.
    I don't detail strip my EDC weekly. Field strip, wipe, look, move on. Some don't understand or care that dirt/dust/crap causes added wear on finishes and moving parts. Things like lint, certain dusts, powder residues and dirt is hydroscopic and absorbs moisture from the air. Moisture can lead to corrosion.
    I spent a few months, in the Army, taking a Light Weapons Specialist course. It covered 50 weapons, from a .38 revolver to the M2 .50 cal BMG. Every single weapon in that course had at least one thing in common. A block of instruction on cleaning/maintenance. The Army has a time tested system for just about every piece of equipment, called PMCS. Preventative Maintenance Checks and Services. Usually involves a Before, During and After use schedule. Things like weapons also normally had a Weekly, Monthly and Yearly maintenance schedule attached.
    The guy that beats his chest and says, "Yep, I sometimes literally craw through mud with my pistol on, but I'll clean it whenever I feel like it", obviously doesn't understand these things, never had anyone teach him these things or isn't willing to sacrifice 5 minutes a week of knuckle dragging and ball scratching to improve his odds by maintaining the most important tool he has chosen to carry.

    YES, PMCS, does NOT mean Park the Mother and Call the SHOP !!!!!
     

    rhino

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    24   0   0
    Mar 18, 2008
    30,906
    113
    Indiana
    I just had a great idea!

    All of you who like to clean guns should volunteer to clean the guns owned by the rest of us!

    It's a win-win!
     

    hopper68

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    5   0   0
    Nov 15, 2011
    4,602
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    Pike County
    I just had a great idea!

    All of you who like to clean guns should volunteer to clean the guns owned by the rest of us!

    It's a win-win!

    An INGO meet and clean?? I like it!! Is there a limit on how many guns I can bring? If the cleaners really want I will bring cleaning supplies unless they insist on using their own. :ingo:
     

    1911ly

    Grandmaster
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    6   0   0
    Dec 11, 2011
    13,419
    83
    South Bend
    I just had a great idea!

    All of you who like to clean guns should volunteer to clean the guns owned by the rest of us!

    It's a win-win!

    If you don't care enough about your gun to keep it clean why would I want to bother? :lmfao::lmfao:
     

    rhino

    Grandmaster
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    24   0   0
    Mar 18, 2008
    30,906
    113
    Indiana
    An INGO meet and clean?? I like it!! Is there a limit on how many guns I can bring? If the cleaners really want I will bring cleaning supplies unless they insist on using their own. :ingo:

    Yes, we should be willing to meet them half way if they want to use their own gear.


    If you don't care enough about your gun to keep it clean why would I want to bother? :lmfao::lmfao:

    Because it's dirty and you know about it. How can you just let that continue? You know you'd feel a whole lot better if you fixed that problem.
     

    M67

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    23   0   0
    Jan 15, 2011
    6,181
    63
    Southernish Indiana
    I just had a great idea!

    All of you who like to clean guns should volunteer to clean the guns owned by the rest of us!

    It's a win-win!

    Wouldn't work. Seeing a gun that has gone over 10 rounds without cleaning might blow some peoples' minds


    I'll clean my own, when they need it
     
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