Cocaine Mitch Must Go…

[tomcat13]

Two Words: Term Limits
Even those FEW that go to the Swamp with Good Intentions, are Ruined by it.

 

[funeralweb]

Two Words: Term Limits
Even those FEW that go to the Swamp with Good Intentions, are Ruined by it.

Very true. Theoretically, we all have the power to limit the time we allow our critters to serve themselves but it's a very rare thing to see voters show someone the door. Once elected, too many seem to linger in power until they are literally carried (in a rectangular box) down the steps of the US Capitol Building.

 

[Shadow01]

Senator McConnell is a mixed bag. He doesn't like Trump. He never hid that fact. He doesn't like Trump candidates. The good thing about him, he did an outstanding job getting those judicial appointments through. He played hard ball politics. he thumbed his nose at the outside pressure from the special interest groups and the press, not a lot of politicians will do that.

Mitch doesn’t like what he can’t control.

 

[KLB]

Something like Xi Jinping Republicans and Rand Paul Republicans?

Isn't Rand too libertarian minded to qualify?

 

[jamil]

I don't think if we're gonna split the Republicans into just two factions, I don't think there are really that many Rand Paul Republicans. I think the dichotomy is establishment/CoC/neocon republicans vs AF/AF-adjacent/Selective-AF-pretender Republicans.

I think Young is in the former as a CoC/neocon, and Braun is in the latter as a Selective-AF-pretender. I say selective because they'll side with the CoC's at will when they think there's cover.

 

[Ingomike]

I’ve never heard the word RINO until Trump came along.

You need to get out more and study.

“As ideas about the Republican Party formed, however, there soon became an orthodoxy to offend, and "Republicans in name only" emerged. For example, in the 1890s in the Indianapolis Journal, a judicial appointee was called a "Republican in name only" (though in that case not as a slur, but as a compliment to soothe worried Democrats).”

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You need to get out more and study.

“As ideas about the Republican Party formed, however, there soon became an orthodoxy to offend, and "Republicans in name only" emerged. For example, in the 1890s in the Indianapolis Journal, a judicial appointee was called a "Republican in name only" (though in that case not as a slur, but as a compliment to soothe worried Democrats).”

I think the first time I heard that term was from Rush Limbaugh, at least in its modern context.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Two Words: Term Limits
Even those FEW that go to the Swamp with Good Intentions, are Ruined by it.

I get why this idea is liked. The flaw in this concept is that the people that keep electing Nancy Pelosi or Mitch is that if they got term limited out, they’d elect someone better. There’s not much evidence to show this will happen very often.

 

[Ingomike]

I don’t really like the whole RINO thing either. How are they not really a Republican when it appears an awful lot of other Republicans agree with them. Republican has no special magical meaning. It doesn’t mean you are a conservative (contrary to what FNC and other media says). Indiana should be able to do better with a real conservative. i think it’s clear that in New England, Susan Collins is about as good as we can do.

I have been telling some here for a while the republican electorate is more left than many of we conservatives here on INGO. I bet less than 20% of Young’s voters are even slightly perturbed with his vote. I think many here live in circles that everyone agrees and it creates a normalcy bias that others believe like them.

 

[Ingomike]

I first heard the term RINO back in the 90's, Rush Limbaugh used to use it all the time during the era of the elder Bush.

I haven't seen any good come from using it, like any derisive term, it gets thrown around far too much.

Years ago, people referred to "Goldwater" Republicans vs. "Rockefeller" Republicans to explain the differences in the party. We need something like that to denote differences without being insulting.

I tend to lean towards the libertarian viewpoint, but I am inconsistent depending upon the issue and seldom feel so confident that I am correct on anything to believe that righteous name-calling is in order.

Does “dem light” work?

 

[hopper68]

Term limits and age limits on all offices.

 

[Ingomike]

I get why this idea is liked. The flaw in this concept is that the people that keep electing Nancy Pelosi or Mitch is that if they got term limited out, they’d elect someone better. There’s not much evidence to show this will happen very often.

Very true. I have never seen term limits as a panacea. The swamp is deep and well stocked with foot soliders. Take a hypothetical state senator that runs for the fed house and wins, they then go to DC with themselves, a consigliere, and an aide.

The party assigns a team of staff, our rep and their trusted advisers become about 20% of the team, a team that already knows what to do, and likely has ambitions and loyalties elsewhere. If we do term limits there will be unintended consequences, one of them is giving the permanent DC even more power.

 

[MCgrease08]

I get why this idea is liked. The flaw in this concept is that the people that keep electing Nancy Pelosi or Mitch is that if they got term limited out, they’d elect someone better. There’s not much evidence to show this will happen very often.

At this point I think we should pick representatives in the house via a random lottery similar to jury duty.

You get a card in the mail that says, "congratulations, for the next two years you represent the XX district."

Pull a new name every two year term. It couldn't be any worse than what we have now.

 

[jamil]

I think the first time I heard that term was from Rush Limbaugh, at least in its modern context.

It's often misused though.

"Republican" is a party where the seat of power is the leadership. In a practical sense the Republican Party is what they say it is. The smaller factions discordant with the party platform of Holcombian milquetoast are closer to Republicans in name only.

The Indiana Republican Party is the party of Holcomb. People who are discordant with Holcomb are the real RINOs. I'm not saying that to disparge the disaffected Republcians. We need to change it so that the RINOs are the people who agree with Holcomb. But judging from Holcomb's landslide win, Hoosiers are just fine with the Party Platform as it stands. Kinda conservative, but not too conservative. Don't make waves. Don't do anything too radical. Don't be so AF that anyone can notice.

 

[Ingomike]

Pull a new name every two year term. It couldn't be any worse than what we have now.

Ya think? I would never put it past the swamp to make it worse…

 

[Ingomike]

It's often misused though.

"Republican" is a party where the seat of power is the leadership. In a practical sense the Republican Party is what they say it is. The smaller factions discordant with the party platform of Holcombian milquetoast are closer to Republicans in name only.

The Indiana Republican Party is the party of Holcomb. People who are discordant with Holcomb are the real RINOs. I'm not saying that to disparge the disaffected Republcians. We need to change it so that the RINOs are the people who agree with Holcomb. But judging from Holcomb's landslide win, Hoosiers are just fine with the Party Platform as it stands. Kinda conservative, but not too conservative. Don't make waves. Don't do anything too radical. Don't be so AF that anyone can notice.

Nothing says it cannot have several meanings to different folks or times. Heck I posted the local usage well over a hundred years ago where it was acknowledged as a good thing the candidate was RINO. LOL

 

[Leadeye]

I get why this idea is liked. The flaw in this concept is that the people that keep electing Nancy Pelosi or Mitch is that if they got term limited out, they’d elect someone better. There’s not much evidence to show this will happen very often.

Elected representative are really the only say people have in a government increasingly run by the unelected and appointed. Joe is a great example of this, while he was elected, he's clearly not making the decisions.

Term limits for elected should also focus on anything involving taxpayer money.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Elected representative are really the only say people have in a government increasingly run by the unelected and appointed. Joe is a great example of this, while he was elected, he's clearly not making the decisions.

Term limits for elected should also focus on anything involving taxpayer money.

Unfortunately for us, the term limit for the swamp creatures is roughly one career in length.

 

[Ingomike]

When you think about all the unintended consequences do you all still think term limits are the bomb?

 

[KLB]

When you think about all the unintended consequences do you all still think term limits are the bomb?

I think we need some, but I'd go for something like 4 terms. 8 years for Reps and 24 for Senators.