"Confederate" memorial burned in Chicago

[Timjoebillybob]

I'm not sure I have ever heard Obama speak disparaging about a entire group of people. Or mention the heritage of another when his disagreed with them. I'm open to being shown examples of a biracial man partially raised by white people, being racist against them (unless you mean some other race).

How about a statement about "a typical white woman"? And not in a positive context.

Agree

See above.

OK, so you find it plausible that he automatically considers whoever is black to be right regardless of fact, regardless of their commission of obvious crime, regardless of how many times he proved out to be wrong, every time he jumped in? I also recall that in one of his books he made some comments about rejecting the race of his grandparents in his adolescence and following, but it has been since roughly 2008 since I reviewed that particular comment.

I'm not sure about that one. I do remember him commenting about his grandmother being a "typical white woman" and that his mother was infatuated with "the black man's physique".

 

[Dddrees]

I can't believe that was in the cago tribune.



Nope, takes a while for crap to settle down. And not that Obama was responsible for it, just for fanning the flames.



I'd say there is one, among all races, but not as bad as it's made out to be.



Not all, he just made it worse.



Hell iirc, his statement was something along these lines "I don't have all the facts, but the police were in the wrong"



No not the wrong thing for making a statement. The wrong thing for being blatantly racist about it. See my comment right above this one.

Either you are deliberately twisting what Trump said, or you're just going by media/talking heads. Did you listen to the statement or read the transcript? If you had you would have been able to tell he wasn't talking about WS/KKK/Neo Nazi's. Nor was he talking about the torch parade.



-He didn't call all Mexican's drug dealers and rapists. He was talking about the border jumpers, and he also stated that some are good people.
-He was trying to help his cause IMO, by painting the judge as prejudiced. Doesn't mean he is racist. It was a BS statement I'll agree.
-If I remember right, that was an alleged statement that was in a book written by someone he fired right?
-Well Obama's grandmother said he was born in Kenya, his own bio on his book stated he was born in Kenya, so...
-Seems bad, but tensions were high and it was a horrific crime. If they were found guilty I wouldn't have minded seeing them executed at the time. I've changed my views on the death penalty since then, I'm not generally in favor just in case of wrongful convictions.
-No idea on that one, can you expand on it a bit?
-Weren't those his father's properties? Yes he was managing them at the time, but could it have been a standing order? Or perhaps individual initiative by the people doing the rentals? Although it could have been him and if so, probably a business move.
-Bannon may be an ass, doesn't mean Trump is racist.
-Are you talking about when he was running, or his EO's? And when did Muslim become a race?
-I know for a fact one of his casino's also catered to a players request to only have black dealers, (except for one very short, dark skinned, Filipino) and cocktail waitresses. If I mentioned the player's name I'm sure you and everyone else would recognize it. Casino's cater to the players wishes, especially if they are large spenders and/or famous.
-Yep I'll agree he was probably lying when he said he didn't know who he was. But his earlier statements about Duke were what?
-Those Jews were also businessmen, could that have been what he was referring to? The second half, I have no knowledge of, perhaps you would be willing to enlighten me?



I'm a white boy and have been subject to racial profiling, quite a few times as a matter of fact. And while I don't agree with stop and frisk, doesn't mean that there is anything racial about it. They go by crime maps. Yes a disproportionate amount were minorities, but they also were in high crime/drug areas.



I don't have a problem with them calling me a cracker, but it seems they don't like it when I respond in kind...

I went camping with a co-worker and his family, including his brother and some other relatives of his. He is hispanic, we were sitting around the campfire BSing and his brother looks at me and out of the blue says "you know, you're pretty cool for a cracker/honkey (one of the two)", everybody laughed until I said, "you're pretty cool for a spic". They didn't seem to think that was funny...

There's a lot here and for now I choose to respond to one of these for now. not because I'm ignoring anything you said just because I'm not that fast. Either on my toes or typing.

Look in the late seventies and early eighties there were a good number of younger blacks in the military that acted like they were special or better yet entitled. They thought somehow because their race had been wronged they were entitled to be treated better. They took every possible advantage of getting away with almost anything and used the race card anytime they were called on something. These guys hadn't even suffered the battles of the 60's and Civil Rights. They just could so they did. People do that.

I also encountered one extremely racist black Platoon Sgt. He wasn't mine thank G** but he habit of putting the white soldiers in his platoon on guard duty or any of the other details most soldiers don't particularly like to do.

Not that I think this is a new or strange concept to you but this is the response I have to your example of the kids you spoke of. People do what people do. The standard you have you can't always expect others to follow. Doesn't mean it's right it just means you have to determine what standard your going to follow. Just because the next idiot does the next idiot thing doesn't make it right nor does it always represent what a responsible person black, white, brown or yellow would do. You meet two in a row or more still the same applies. It s**s but what is it you believe is right matters the most.

Sorry I didn't respond to everything. The IPad I respond on is the largest they have but still that makes it harder to respond to these lengthy questions because of screen size. But I have to tell you even if it weren't for that big long and different subjects isn't something I generally like dealing with all at one time. Maybe I'll try more later.

 

[Dddrees]

I can't believe that was in the cago tribune.



Nope, takes a while for crap to settle down. And not that Obama was responsible for it, just for fanning the flames.



I'd say there is one, among all races, but not as bad as it's made out to be.



Not all, he just made it worse.



Hell iirc, his statement was something along these lines "I don't have all the facts, but the police were in the wrong"



No not the wrong thing for making a statement. The wrong thing for being blatantly racist about it. See my comment right above this one.

Either you are deliberately twisting what Trump said, or you're just going by media/talking heads. Did you listen to the statement or read the transcript? If you had you would have been able to tell he wasn't talking about WS/KKK/Neo Nazi's. Nor was he talking about the torch parade.



-He didn't call all Mexican's drug dealers and rapists. He was talking about the border jumpers, and he also stated that some are good people.
-He was trying to help his cause IMO, by painting the judge as prejudiced. Doesn't mean he is racist. It was a BS statement I'll agree.
-If I remember right, that was an alleged statement that was in a book written by someone he fired right?
-Well Obama's grandmother said he was born in Kenya, his own bio on his book stated he was born in Kenya, so...
-Seems bad, but tensions were high and it was a horrific crime. If they were found guilty I wouldn't have minded seeing them executed at the time. I've changed my views on the death penalty since then, I'm not generally in favor just in case of wrongful convictions.
-No idea on that one, can you expand on it a bit?
-Weren't those his father's properties? Yes he was managing them at the time, but could it have been a standing order? Or perhaps individual initiative by the people doing the rentals? Although it could have been him and if so, probably a business move.
-Bannon may be an ass, doesn't mean Trump is racist.
-Are you talking about when he was running, or his EO's? And when did Muslim become a race?
-I know for a fact one of his casino's also catered to a players request to only have black dealers, (except for one very short, dark skinned, Filipino) and cocktail waitresses. If I mentioned the player's name I'm sure you and everyone else would recognize it. Casino's cater to the players wishes, especially if they are large spenders and/or famous.
-Yep I'll agree he was probably lying when he said he didn't know who he was. But his earlier statements about Duke were what?
-Those Jews were also businessmen, could that have been what he was referring to? The second half, I have no knowledge of, perhaps you would be willing to enlighten me?



I'm a white boy and have been subject to racial profiling, quite a few times as a matter of fact. And while I don't agree with stop and frisk, doesn't mean that there is anything racial about it. They go by crime maps. Yes a disproportionate amount were minorities, but they also were in high crime/drug areas.



I don't have a problem with them calling me a cracker, but it seems they don't like it when I respond in kind...

I went camping with a co-worker and his family, including his brother and some other relatives of his. He is hispanic, we were sitting around the campfire BSing and his brother looks at me and out of the blue says "you know, you're pretty cool for a cracker/honkey (one of the two)", everybody laughed until I said, "you're pretty cool for a spic". They didn't seem to think that was funny...

Stop and frisk. Regardless based on the statistics from what I understand it's ineffective if nothing else it just inflames things. It's another one of those things Donald Trump talks about that goes with everything else in his past and what he says to who he associates with that makes him look racist. It just does. If Obama did this he'd be receiving the same amount if not more outrage at least from his non-supporters. I'll pay attention to what you say because I trust that you believe what you say and you tend to make good points. But in my opinion he just has way too many things that you just can't explain it all away.

 

[Dddrees]

I can't believe that was in the cago tribune.



Nope, takes a while for crap to settle down. And not that Obama was responsible for it, just for fanning the flames.



I'd say there is one, among all races, but not as bad as it's made out to be.



Not all, he just made it worse.



Hell iirc, his statement was something along these lines "I don't have all the facts, but the police were in the wrong"



No not the wrong thing for making a statement. The wrong thing for being blatantly racist about it. See my comment right above this one.

Either you are deliberately twisting what Trump said, or you're just going by media/talking heads. Did you listen to the statement or read the transcript? If you had you would have been able to tell he wasn't talking about WS/KKK/Neo Nazi's. Nor was he talking about the torch parade.



-He didn't call all Mexican's drug dealers and rapists. He was talking about the border jumpers, and he also stated that some are good people.
-He was trying to help his cause IMO, by painting the judge as prejudiced. Doesn't mean he is racist. It was a BS statement I'll agree.
-If I remember right, that was an alleged statement that was in a book written by someone he fired right?
-Well Obama's grandmother said he was born in Kenya, his own bio on his book stated he was born in Kenya, so...
-Seems bad, but tensions were high and it was a horrific crime. If they were found guilty I wouldn't have minded seeing them executed at the time. I've changed my views on the death penalty since then, I'm not generally in favor just in case of wrongful convictions.
-No idea on that one, can you expand on it a bit?
-Weren't those his father's properties? Yes he was managing them at the time, but could it have been a standing order? Or perhaps individual initiative by the people doing the rentals? Although it could have been him and if so, probably a business move.
-Bannon may be an ass, doesn't mean Trump is racist.
-Are you talking about when he was running, or his EO's? And when did Muslim become a race?
-I know for a fact one of his casino's also catered to a players request to only have black dealers, (except for one very short, dark skinned, Filipino) and cocktail waitresses. If I mentioned the player's name I'm sure you and everyone else would recognize it. Casino's cater to the players wishes, especially if they are large spenders and/or famous.
-Yep I'll agree he was probably lying when he said he didn't know who he was. But his earlier statements about Duke were what?
-Those Jews were also businessmen, could that have been what he was referring to? The second half, I have no knowledge of, perhaps you would be willing to enlighten me?



I'm a white boy and have been subject to racial profiling, quite a few times as a matter of fact. And while I don't agree with stop and frisk, doesn't mean that there is anything racial about it. They go by crime maps. Yes a disproportionate amount were minorities, but they also were in high crime/drug areas.



I don't have a problem with them calling me a cracker, but it seems they don't like it when I respond in kind...

I went camping with a co-worker and his family, including his brother and some other relatives of his. He is hispanic, we were sitting around the campfire BSing and his brother looks at me and out of the blue says "you know, you're pretty cool for a cracker/honkey (one of the two)", everybody laughed until I said, "you're pretty cool for a spic". They didn't seem to think that was funny...

If Obama fanned the flames Trump set it ablaze. If that's because the MSM is also against him well he certainly picked a fight he had no business starting. The war with the media is to a great part his own making. That perception may very well be less common if not rare here but I doubt I would be the only one saying that on a liberal forum. Taking a guess here because by now most should be able to tell I just wouldn't have the time spend there because I am always here. He chooses to make Fake News and Fake media a fight he wants to rage. He pokes the bear and sometimes that's exactly how you get bit. Problem is he is not the most adept at handling things well and then he wants to blame that on others.

 

[Dddrees]

I can't believe that was in the cago tribune.



Nope, takes a while for crap to settle down. And not that Obama was responsible for it, just for fanning the flames.



I'd say there is one, among all races, but not as bad as it's made out to be.



Not all, he just made it worse.



Hell iirc, his statement was something along these lines "I don't have all the facts, but the police were in the wrong"



No not the wrong thing for making a statement. The wrong thing for being blatantly racist about it. See my comment right above this one.

Either you are deliberately twisting what Trump said, or you're just going by media/talking heads. Did you listen to the statement or read the transcript? If you had you would have been able to tell he wasn't talking about WS/KKK/Neo Nazi's. Nor was he talking about the torch parade.



-He didn't call all Mexican's drug dealers and rapists. He was talking about the border jumpers, and he also stated that some are good people.
-He was trying to help his cause IMO, by painting the judge as prejudiced. Doesn't mean he is racist. It was a BS statement I'll agree.
-If I remember right, that was an alleged statement that was in a book written by someone he fired right?
-Well Obama's grandmother said he was born in Kenya, his own bio on his book stated he was born in Kenya, so...
-Seems bad, but tensions were high and it was a horrific crime. If they were found guilty I wouldn't have minded seeing them executed at the time. I've changed my views on the death penalty since then, I'm not generally in favor just in case of wrongful convictions.
-No idea on that one, can you expand on it a bit?
-Weren't those his father's properties? Yes he was managing them at the time, but could it have been a standing order? Or perhaps individual initiative by the people doing the rentals? Although it could have been him and if so, probably a business move.
-Bannon may be an ass, doesn't mean Trump is racist.
-Are you talking about when he was running, or his EO's? And when did Muslim become a race?
-I know for a fact one of his casino's also catered to a players request to only have black dealers, (except for one very short, dark skinned, Filipino) and cocktail waitresses. If I mentioned the player's name I'm sure you and everyone else would recognize it. Casino's cater to the players wishes, especially if they are large spenders and/or famous.
-Yep I'll agree he was probably lying when he said he didn't know who he was. But his earlier statements about Duke were what?
-Those Jews were also businessmen, could that have been what he was referring to? The second half, I have no knowledge of, perhaps you would be willing to enlighten me?



I'm a white boy and have been subject to racial profiling, quite a few times as a matter of fact. And while I don't agree with stop and frisk, doesn't mean that there is anything racial about it. They go by crime maps. Yes a disproportionate amount were minorities, but they also were in high crime/drug areas.



I don't have a problem with them calling me a cracker, but it seems they don't like it when I respond in kind...

I went camping with a co-worker and his family, including his brother and some other relatives of his. He is hispanic, we were sitting around the campfire BSing and his brother looks at me and out of the blue says "you know, you're pretty cool for a cracker/honkey (one of the two)", everybody laughed until I said, "you're pretty cool for a spic". They didn't seem to think that was funny...

Unfortunately I missed that news conference where he made his full statement and I never did take the time to look for the full transcript.

 

[IndyDave1776]

If Obama fanned the flames Trump set it ablaze. If that's because the MSM is also against him well he certainly picked a fight he had no business starting. The war with the media is to a great part his own making. That perception may very well be less common if not rare here but I doubt I would be the only one saying that on a liberal forum. Taking a guess here because by now most should be able to tell I just wouldn't have the time spend there because I am always here. He chooses to make Fake News and Fake media a fight he wants to rage. He pokes the bear and sometimes that's exactly how you get bit. Problem is he is not the most adept at handling things well and then he wants to blame that on others.

You do realized that the only realistic alternative is to act like a whipped puppy like the average RINO who just sits there and gets run over?

 

[Dddrees]

You do realized that the only realistic alternative is to act like a whipped puppy like the average RINO who just sits there and gets run over?

Yep, it sure looks that way don't it. LOL

 

[IndyDave1776]

Yep, it sure looks that way don't it. LOL

Yes indeed, just like the chorus of RINOs screaming up a righteous lung for Trump to act like a whipped puppy. That isn't what he was elected to do and he knows that, thankfully. He may be less than delicate, but having RINOs apologizing at every turn for making even the slightest pretense of being conservative or standing up for anything other than not getting scalded (or merely scolded) by the media gets old.

 

[Dddrees]

Yes indeed, just like the chorus of RINOs screaming up a righteous lung for Trump to act like a whipped puppy. That isn't what he was elected to do and he knows that, thankfully. He may be less than delicate, but having RINOs apologizing at every turn for making even the slightest pretense of being conservative or standing up for anything other than not getting scalded (or merely scolded) by the media gets old.

It may and this point has been made many times here and now it's really sinking in where it didn't for me before. But still his base and his strongest supporters are not the only supporters you need. So if you want anymore or if you wish him to have a second term he will need more than just the base or more than just the strident Republican supporter. By the looks of it he also may need to do more just to face the people. He's really became awfully isolated on this last issue.

His latest Tweets certainly indicate although he may not want to admit it that he is ready to send out different signals. He attempted that during his second Charollotsville speech as well but then killed himself when he went off script.

He really does need to act more like a Pesident of all rather than just of his base.

We'll see.....

 

[IndyDave1776]

It may and this point has been made many times here and now it's really sinking in where it didn't for me before. But still his base and his strongest supporters are not the only supporters you need. So if you want anymore or if you wish him to have a second term he will need more than just the base or more than just the strident Republican supporter. By the looks of it he also may need to do more just to face the people. He's really became awfully isolated on this last issue.

His latest Tweets certainly indicate although he may not want to admit it that he is ready to send out different signals. He attempted that during his second Charollotsville speech as well but then killed himself when he went off script.

He really does need to act more like a Pesident of all rather than just of his base.

We'll see.....

Not to say that he couldn't do a lot better, but it is hard to fill the role of 'president of all' when almost all traditional media outlets, most of the Washington machine on both sides of the aisle, and a large portion of the population preemptively started their own form of the #resistance horsesh*t before he was even sworn in. I am with him so far as that there is no point in kissing asses who are already sworn enemies and are NOT going to change their minds.

 

[Dddrees]

Not to say that he couldn't do a lot better, but it is hard to fill the role of 'president of all' when almost all traditional media outlets, most of the Washington machine on both sides of the aisle, and a large portion of the population preemptively started their own form of the #resistance horsesh*t before he was even sworn in. I am with him so far as that there is no point in kissing asses who are already sworn enemies and are NOT going to change their minds.

Actually I think the problem he has is that even if he were to want to try his base wouldn't let him. This kind of puts him between a rock and a hard place. It as what we have here which we never have before is he can't even talk like he wants to be. Got to believe however that the last issue turned away some of those undecideds that were with him. May not be permanent but got to believe he lost some there.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Not that I think this is a new or strange concept to you but this is the response I have to your example of the kids you spoke of. People do what people do. The standard you have you can't always expect others to follow. Doesn't mean it's right it just means you have to determine what standard your going to follow. Just because the next idiot does the next idiot thing doesn't make it right nor does it always represent what a responsible person black, white, brown or yellow would do. You meet two in a row or more still the same applies. It s**s but what is it you believe is right matters the most.

Not sure which kids you are referring to.

And just a bit of advice, it's okay to cut down a quote to just what you are referring to (like I did here). It makes it a bit easier to follow.

Stop and frisk. Regardless based on the statistics from what I understand it's ineffective if nothing else it just inflames things. It's another one of those things Donald Trump talks about that goes with everything else in his past and what he says to who he associates with that makes him look racist. It just does. If Obama did this he'd be receiving the same amount if not more outrage at least from his non-supporters. I'll pay attention to what you say because I trust that you believe what you say and you tend to make good points. But in my opinion he just has way too many things that you just can't explain it all away.

As I stated above I don't agree with stop and frisk, but I don't believe it is inherently racist. Nor do I think those that support it are necessarily racist. I've seen statistics that go both ways, the one's I've seen seem to show that the neighborhoods that it is done in the crime drops, but the overall crime rate stays about the same.

If Obama fanned the flames Trump set it ablaze. If that's because the MSM is also against him well he certainly picked a fight he had no business starting. The war with the media is to a great part his own making. That perception may very well be less common if not rare here but I doubt I would be the only one saying that on a liberal forum. Taking a guess here because by now most should be able to tell I just wouldn't have the time spend there because I am always here. He chooses to make Fake News and Fake media a fight he wants to rage. He pokes the bear and sometimes that's exactly how you get bit. Problem is he is not the most adept at handling things well and then he wants to blame that on others.

I'd say it's in good part due to the MSM, along with his opponents preconceptions and/or desire for him to be a racist, and for him to fail.

As an example, you stated you hadn't seen the video or read the transcript. But you believe he said that some of the WS/Neo nazi's are fine/good people. Where did you get that impression?

Unfortunately I missed that news conference where he made his full statement and I never did take the time to look for the full transcript.

Here is a link to the full transcript. Notice the headline then read the transcript. I'll post a few highlights from it below.
Transcript: Trump Shifts Tone Again On Charlottesville In Press Conference : NPR

All of those people — excuse me. I've condemned neo Nazis. I've condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists, by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue, Robert E. Lee.

Excuse me. You had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group, excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park, from Robert E. Lee to another name.

And you had people, and I'm not talking about the neo Nazis or the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo Nazis and white nationalists, ok?

Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats.

 

[Trigger Time]

It may and this point has been made many times here and now it's really sinking in where it didn't for me before. But still his base and his strongest supporters are not the only supporters you need. So if you want anymore or if you wish him to have a second term he will need more than just the base or more than just the strident Republican supporter. By the looks of it he also may need to do more just to face the people. He's really became awfully isolated on this last issue.

His latest Tweets certainly indicate although he may not want to admit it that he is ready to send out different signals. He attempted that during his second Charollotsville speech as well but then killed himself when he went off script.

He really does need to act more like a Pesident of all rather than just of his base.

We'll see.....

Act like a President? I don't want him to act at all and especially not like most past presidents who are partially to blame for the state of the union today.
I want him to keep doing exactly what he is doing which is improve the economy improve the military and veterans care and benefits, stop illegals from pooring across our borders and restore law and order and the respect for law enforcement the easy way or the painful way.
I think he's doing a fine job.
Oh and more and more people are leaving the democrats everyday to board the Trump train or any train but the one the democrats are driving

 

[Trigger Time]

Profiling works for police and it works for military. Get over it.
I could go up to a cop right now and ask them to show me where the criminals are in their beat. They could point out the worse offenders I'm positive. They've arrested most of them before. They know things. Their hands are tied.
If you look at the statistfics on who's being arrested certain things start topping the list over and over depending on what area you are in.
If you dress like a criminal then I'm going to avoid you and assume you are a criminal. If you act like a criminal and put off indicators then I'm gonna treat you as a criminal.
That's common ****ing sense.
Don't ask me what a criminal looks like. Because you know even if you don't want to admit it and we've been down that road here before.
Let the cops do their jobs. The average cop isn't out ****ing with innocent people and if they do the people should be educated on how to peacefully interact with the police while preserving their rights at the same time.

 

[Dddrees]

Not sure which kids you are referring to.

And just a bit of advice, it's okay to cut down a quote to just what you are referring to (like I did here). It makes it a bit easier to follow.



As I stated above I don't agree with stop and frisk, but I don't believe it is inherently racist. Nor do I think those that support it are necessarily racist. I've seen statistics that go both ways, the one's I've seen seem to show that the neighborhoods that it is done in the crime drops, but the overall crime rate stays about the same.



I'd say it's in good part due to the MSM, along with his opponents preconceptions and/or desire for him to be a racist, and for him to fail.

As an example, you stated you hadn't seen the video or read the transcript. But you believe he said that some of the WS/Neo nazi's are fine/good people. Where did you get that impression?



Here is a link to the full transcript. Notice the headline then read the transcript. I'll post a few highlights from it below.
Transcript: Trump Shifts Tone Again On Charlottesville In Press Conference : NPR

Ok so they weren't kids my fault. Hard to review some of this using an IPad. As I type I even see less of your text. It would be a bit easier to cut the quote I guess if I had a mouse and a regular screen that was bigger. Whatever this is my issue and not yours but that is where I am at.

My impressions were based on pieces of the video and audio although I menevr got to see the entire video all together. If the snip it is all that he said and I trust that it is here again he believes there are fine people who are willing to march in the same march as NEO Nazis and WS. The snipet looks better here than it plays I'll give you that. He's trying to force a point that is hard to sell and it seems he's trying harder to sell that than condemn the NEO NAZIS and WS. At the same time he's trying to condemn some of the Anti protesters. Then he further muddles it by bringing up Washington and Jefferson. I guess that wasn't here but he did that too at one point. All things true but he's fighting to many fights at one time. He doesn't pick his battles well because he's always at full out war. Even harder to make this case when he has Alt Right members in his Administration.

The three times he spoke out on this and two of those times he drew the ire of some very strong critics. The one and only time was the second time which he seemed to almost take back what he said when he went off script the first time or he was more specific and this helped until he went off script the third time. But you can't tell me I was the only one that got these impressions. This is why he had so many critics of which some of his stronger supporters at one time like Corkin, then others like Orin Hatch who doesn't normally make it a point to come out against him. You then had the business councils quit on him. Foreign leaders and the Pope. Also the Military Chiefs who believed they needed to weigh in and you can't tell me you think that's normal. Heck even Murdocks son who is in charge of Fox came out and condemned Trump. Granted some of these where after the first statement but if not mistaken many others occurred after his third off script statement.

So if you ask me it is extremely poor optics. He didn't handle it very well.

 

[Dddrees]

Act like a President? I don't want him to act at all and especially not like most past presidents who are partially to blame for the state of the union today.
I want him to keep doing exactly what he is doing which is improve the economy improve the military and veterans care and benefits, stop illegals from pooring across our borders and restore law and order and the respect for law enforcement the easy way or the painful way.
I think he's doing a fine job.
Oh and more and more people are leaving the democrats everyday to board the Trump train or any train but the one the democrats are driving

Ii get that you don't. Do you get that I do? Act like a President that is.

By the way that doesn't mean we have to agree.

 

[Dddrees]

Profiling works for police and it works for military. Get over it.
I could go up to a cop right now and ask them to show me where the criminals are in their beat. They could point out the worse offenders I'm positive. They've arrested most of them before. They know things. Their hands are tied.
If you look at the statistfics on who's being arrested certain things start topping the list over and over depending on what area you are in.
If you dress like a criminal then I'm going to avoid you and assume you are a criminal. If you act like a criminal and put off indicators then I'm gonna treat you as a criminal.
That's common ****ing sense.
Don't ask me what a criminal looks like. Because you know even if you don't want to admit it and we've been down that road here before.
Let the cops do their jobs. The average cop isn't out ****ing with innocent people and if they do the people should be educated on how to peacefully interact with the police while preserving their rights at the same time.

Common f**ing sense to me was UBC. I recently just had a civil discussion with a gentleman and I am now rethinking my common F**ing sense.

 

[Trigger Time]

Common f**ing sense to me was UBC. I recently just had a civil discussion with a gentleman and I am now rethinking my common F**ing sense.

I wonder why they call it common when it isn't common ?

 

[Dddrees]

I wonder why they call it common when it isn't common ?

Yeah that was my thought when it came to the UBC. So many guns right people just get so upset and attack the words common sense. At least when used in conjunction with the UBC anyway. Doesn't really help when trying to discuss it if you ask me.

 

[Trigger Time]

Yeah that was my thought when it came to the UBC. So many guns right people just get so upset and attack the words common sense. At least when used in conjunction with the UBC anyway. Doesn't really help when trying to discuss it if you ask me.

You gotta help me out here *** UBC?
Brain isn't working or I don't know what it is