Democrats and gun control

[LP1]

So what you are saying is candidates' positions on gun laws are the single most important issue facing this country and all other factors should be ignored? Not being a one issue voter doesn't make one anti-American.

This ^^^

I remember a time when the vast majority of democrat candidates (and the vast numbers of democrats) were more like Webb and the kooks and fringe (both candidates and voters) were more like Hillary and Sanders.

And I can remember when Republicans weren't all a bunch of hypocritical extremists who want to destroy the middle class and impose their version of "christian" Sharia law. I used to vote for a lot of them.

Sorta makes you think don't it?

The vast majority of my fellow gun owners that I know well are decent, thoughtful, responsible people. This thread makes me think they're nuts.

I really don't care if a voter decides her/his vote based upon one issue that is very important to them. What I do have is a reaction when people say if you don't think like they do, you're not patriotic and are anti-American. We're a big county with lots of different opinions. Thinking differently doesn't mean you love this country any less.

That concept is lost on far too many folks here. You can keep trying, but they aren't listening.

Vote your paycheck...the rallying cry of Unions, Socialists, and Communists. When what the leaders are saying is vote us your paycheck, while all of their obedient followers who are wearing their wallet like a set of blinders in the voting booth is just singing a chorus that they don't understand the meaning of.

The Democrats have lost it on many issues, every issue. They spent the first four years attacking the 1st Amendment, on which they have maintained a continuous attack. They have spent the last four years also attacking the 2nd Amendment. They're socialists, they're cheats, they're liars, they're baby killers, they're divisive, they're hypocrites, they're evil, they are everything that is destroying America. How any American could still vote for them at this point is beyond stupid.

So instead we should vote for the people who have sent us into pointless wars under false pretenses, bankrupted our economy, and preach "freedom" while wanting to turn us into economic slaves while they tell women what to do with their own bodies? No thank you. Hell no.

 

[Dosproduction]

There is a good movie called Innocence Betrayed. I will link it here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN0vkSO9n8Y

 

[Thor]

It was educational to listen to Tony Blair make the same arguments for gun control used in Germany leading up to WWII...

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolf Hitler, 1935

I guess they did. Australia, Canada, Bermuda, Cuba, Great Britain, Greece, Ireland, Jamaica...registration always ends in confiscation because that is the only acceptable solution for the gun haters.

What did gun control get Britain? Good people going to jail for defending their homes against violent criminals and drug addicts, living in fear of a heavily armed thug underclass...good people unarmed and helpless, evil people armed to the teeth. The law abiding paying the price for criminals and madmen.

And then as the movie linked above states...170 Million people killed by their governments.

No thank YOU. Dems want gun control to silence the opposition, forever.

 

[oldpink]

I'm not a single issue voter, but it doesn't take a single issue voter to make the 2A his number one issue.
If you seek to curtail the 2A, as far as I'm concerned, you are a tyrant in waiting, seeking to impose something a bit more violent than just laws once you have divested the people of their guns.

 

[silverspoon]

What I've learned so far:

Democrats assault the First and the Second Amendments. Democrats are socialists. Democrats Suck.

Republicans assault the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Republicans are Christian Terrorists. Republicans Suck.

I dunno who to vote for....

 

[jmpupillo]

What I've learned so far:

Democrats assault the First and the Second Amendments. Democrats are socialists. Democrats Suck.

Republicans assault the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Republicans are Christian Terrorists. Republicans Suck.

I dunno who to vote for....

I couldn't agree more.

I wouldn't call them 'evil' like the OP - they both obviously think they're on the moral high ground and trying to do something 'right'. I think they're just misguided and philosophically inconsistent.

But when it comes time to vote, I am definitely voting for the lesser of two evils. That is all we have to choose from anymore...

 

[level0]

You didn't vote for mitt [sic] last time around, did you? He was anti-gun and a democrat for all intents.

Fixed it for you the best I could with the time I have. I'm a conservative, so no I did not vote for that walking Sominex. I knew he was worthless after he had Obama on the ropes and did nothing but roll over and whimper.

 

[Thor]

I knew Mitt was worthless before the Iowa caucus was held...but the press killed all the conservative candidates and chose him, just as they chose J Mc before him. Both prepped to lose...the worst candidates the R's could field.

That is exactly why Trump could end up as the nominee. What better theater could there be? Sad.

 

[OutdoorDad]

This is an amazing thread.

I got my spellcheck to substitute "pit bull" for democrat.
It all fell into place after that.

 

[bwframe]

What I've learned so far:

Democrats assault the First and the Second Amendments. Democrats are socialists. Democrats Suck.

Republicans assault the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Republicans are Christian Terrorists. Republicans Suck.

I dunno who to vote for....

Without the Second Amendment for defense, any "leader" or group of them can do whatever they choose to or with you. That is why our constitution was written the way it was,...

...and what should lead your way.



[video=youtube;rKpfD_MECgE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKpfD_MECgE[/video]

 

[Captain Bligh]

The path you argue for was followed in Weimar Germany...it led to a lot of pictures where soldiers were following orders and citizens were following gun laws.

Wrong. You never saw me argue a path. You saw me disparage name calling and questioning patriotism of people just because they hold different views.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Wrong. You never saw me argue a path. You saw me disparage name calling and questioning patriotism of people just because they hold different views.

Wait a minute. The Constitution defines the republic. That necessarily makes people who attack the Constitution enemies of the republic. Enemies of the republic, by definition, are unpatriotic.

 

[Alpo]

Since conservatives don't represent the majority of voters in the USA, and as it is obvious that even on a firearms forum they cannot convince their fellow members of their righteousness, I find it highly objectionable that they believe their world view is the correct one.

Many people who visit fora are armchair warriors, never leaving the boundaries of their homes (or mom's basement) to actually fight for their country and it's principles of liberty. We normally call them trolls and this thread is symptomatic of that identifier. Most neocons are cowards. Proven fact.

Civilization is a veneer overlayed to the base barbarity of human interaction. We own firearms to protect ourselves and our families from the violence that might erupt around us. But it isn't the only thing that we care about. Even the most staunch conservative believes that the piece of paper entitling him to ownership of his home and land is adequate in all but the most extreme circumstances. That, my friends, is socialism...you rely upon the social fabric to reinforce that your property is yours. You do not have to defend that property daily from marauding hordes or from another individual who is stronger or with better weaponry who has his eye on your little slice of heaven.

To call another citizen a traitor or seditionist is cheap and cowardly. If you have proof of specific activities, that is one thing. But to characterize the majority party in the US and ALL of its members that way is ignorant. It also causes me to wonder how far removed you are from being the next mass shooter. Insanity.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Since conservatives don't represent the majority of voters in the USA, and as it is obvious that even on a firearms forum they cannot convince their fellow members of their righteousness, I find it highly objectionable that they believe their world view is the correct one.

Many people who visit fora are armchair warriors, never leaving the boundaries of their homes (or mom's basement) to actually fight for their country and it's principles of liberty. We normally call them trolls and this thread is symptomatic of that identifier. Most neocons are cowards. Proven fact.

Civilization is a veneer overlayed to the base barbarity of human interaction. We own firearms to protect ourselves and our families from the violence that might erupt around us. But it isn't the only thing that we care about. Even the most staunch conservative believes that the piece of paper entitling him to ownership of his home and land is adequate in all but the most extreme circumstances. That, my friends, is socialism...you rely upon the social fabric to reinforce that your property is yours. You do not have to defend that property daily from marauding hordes or from another individual who is stronger or with better weaponry who has his eye on your little slice of heaven.

To call another citizen a traitor or seditionist is cheap and cowardly. If you have proof of specific activities, that is one thing. But to characterize the majority party in the US and ALL of its members that way is ignorant. It also causes me to wonder how far removed you are from being the next mass shooter. Insanity.

LOL....wut?

 

[Alpo]

I think you fail to recognize the dependence you have upon others. I'm not talking about socialism as "the state owning the means of production". It is the broader concept of reliance upon each other to get things done.

I get tired of this pissing and moaning by the reactionaries here who see nothing beyond themselves and their private selfishness. They believe they see this nation as the founders did and they alone are the final arbiters of how the bounty of this nation should be divided.

I see this nation as belonging to its citizens, not its rentiers. Obviously you discount what most of the economists since the time of Adam Smith has said about the concentration of wealth, and you discount their warnings.

I read recently in the Financial Times that Wall Street was a "victim" of the economy. They saw themselves as having no part in the economic collapse of 2008.

That is the mindset that will ultimately undo us.

 

[cobber]

LOL....wut?

If you like your property, you can keep your property.


Wait wait, where have we heard something like that before?

I think you fail to recognize the dependence you have upon others. I'm not talking about socialism as "the state owning the means of production". It is the broader concept of reliance upon each other to get things done.

Yes, we didn't build that. The social contract has nothing to do with socialism (which is government) but the way people structure the sum of their interactions with others. If we need a government to define these relationships, then we hardly have a 'society' in any meaningful sense of the word.

Interesting thread.

 

[cobber]

Wait a minute. The Constitution defines the republic. That necessarily makes people who attack the Constitution enemies of the republic. Enemies of the republic, by definition, are unpatriotic.

Wrong. The Republicans are the 'enemies of the people'. And shall be dealt with accordingly, so sayeth Comrade Hillary.

 

[Thor]

I get tired of this pissing and moaning by the reactionaries here who see nothing beyond themselves and their private selfishness. They believe they see this nation as the founders did and they alone are the final arbiters of how the bounty of this nation should be divided.

What an excellent description of leftist totalitarians. What's mine is mine what's yours is mine because get them, they've got more than me...or anyway something I want...or it's them so who cares.
Let's spread that bounty around! Youze guyz got to much stuff and I want it.

Since before Rome built the Apia Way infrastructure has been a recognized responsibility for government. The rest is where it gets confused, another example from Rome that could have been said on the floor of our Senate:

“The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced. The arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced. If the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt, people must learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 BC.

A generation later Tacitus bemoaned the Republic that was and the Dictatorship they were living under.

The authorities, they be getting arrogant, and the folks be wantin' their free stuff. But keep demanding that redistribution, I'm sure the cut you end up with will just as small as everyone else's. Unless of course you end up on the dictatorship team.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I get tired of this pissing and moaning by the reactionaries here who see nothing beyond themselves and their private selfishness.

Me too. I want the country to run on the ideals the founding fathers set forth when they wrote the DOI, COTUS, and BOR. I want it ran within those very narrow parameters they established and nothing more.

They believe they see this nation as the founders did and they alone are the final arbiters of how the bounty of this nation should be divided.

I believe the founding documents mean what they meant the day they were written. You don't. You believe the government has powers that were never intended--powers that allow the property of one person to be forcibly taken and given to another, individual person. I don't. On this, we'll never agree.

 

[Thor]

Interesting thread.

In the Chinese way of saying may you live in interesting times? Yeah, interesting.