Democrats = Communists...Change My Mind

[T.Lex]

Q: Would socialist and communists find a home in the Republican party today?

Funny you should ask.

Remember what party Teddy Roosevelt belonged to? (Ask CM, I think he voted in that election....)

The Progressive/Bull Moose Party started as Republicans.

With the modern GOP, there tend to be certain issues or specific decisions that can spin toward the more liberal ... maybe call them within the communist/socialist penumbra.

In the US, while the overall arc may be toward progressive ideas, we've struck a fairly solid balance between conservative, capital-oriented markets, and socially progressive positions.

(Obamacare was always a bad policy, but it fits into that arc.)

 

[Trigger Time]

We need to kick the current Democrat party out of government

 

[Ark]

The Democrats are far too bound to corporate and billionaire interests to ever approach anything resembling "communism".

What they represent circa 2019 is more an ideology of social control, sanitization of discourse, and token "progress-y" measures that corporate interests are largely indifferent to. It's why they're so gung-ho for confiscation. Their idea of a nicely "managed" society that is safe for the billionaire class is incompatible with an armed citizenry.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

It IS circa 1789 wording & understanding, period firearms because that's the only frame of reference the forefathers had...
Do you REALLY think they had a chrystal ball that let them see machine guns?

Come on now, this isn't a science fiction movie with time travel...
Was science fiction even around when the Constitution was written?

To your second statement,
Local restrictions aren't federal law based on constitutional rights challenges.
I have no idea if knives/swords are 'Legal' to own, or to carry in public, or to possess all together, I stay out of New York City.
I haven't been there since September 2001, up to my armpits in police and no one said a word about the big sheath prybar/knife on my belt or the large automatic knife I had on my gear/harness.

I did loose a pocket clip knife in Boston a few years back, seems anything longer than 1.5" is illegal, but didn't get arrested, just surrendered my letter opener & fingernail cleaner and went on about my business.
I loose pocket knives to TSA with alarming regularity, forgetting I have them until I get to check in screening...

So, freedom of speech and freedom of the press only apply to spoken (not broadcast, not filmed or video recorded) words, and words written with quill and ink or good old-fashioned printing press, because that's the only frame of reference the forefathers had? No computers, no laser jet printers, no typewriters, no tweets, no facebook posts, right? I mean because you know, the time travel thing...

 

[Expat]

Is BJs for votes going to be in her platform?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Is BJs for votes going to be in her platform?

Harris/Madonna 2020!

 

[NKBJ]

The Democrats are far too bound to corporate and billionaire interests to ever approach anything resembling "communism".

What they represent circa 2019 is more an ideology of social control, sanitization of discourse, and token "progress-y" measures that corporate interests are largely indifferent to. It's why they're so gung-ho for confiscation. Their idea of a nicely "managed" society that is safe for the billionaire class is incompatible with an armed citizenry.

The big money that actually runs this mud ball wants communism. It's control and that's what they want.

 

[russc2542]

My first response is communists are waay more organized and usually gain power by a coup.

The Democrats are far too bound to corporate and billionaire interests to ever approach anything resembling "communism".

What they represent circa 2019 is more an ideology of social control, sanitization of discourse, and token "progress-y" measures that corporate interests are largely indifferent to. It's why they're so gung-ho for confiscation. Their idea of a nicely "managed" society that is safe for the billionaire class is incompatible with an armed citizenry.

The big money that actually runs this mud ball wants communism. It's control and that's what they want.

What the democrats want is communism/socialism for the masses and capitalism for themselves. Keep enough people satisfied enough to keep from getting voted out until the masses are dependent on it. Look how it works in the cites: welfare for the masses that serve the moneyed class for so long they don't know anything different. Keep stringing them along tooting the party line that if they vote for the other team, they lose all the handouts and entitlements they now depend on. Keep promising one more law will fix it just like the next lottery ticket will be a winner.

For that matter the republicans aren't much better except they don't pretend to care and pander to the urbanites.

 

[printcraft]

Originally Posted by JeepHammer It IS circa 1789 wording & understanding, period firearms because that's the only frame of reference the forefathers had...
Do you REALLY think they had a chrystal ball that let them see machine guns?

Come on now, this isn't a science fiction movie with time travel...
Was science fiction even around when the Constitution was written?.

So, freedom of speech and freedom of the press only apply to spoken (not broadcast, not filmed or video recorded) words, and words written with quill and ink or good old-fashioned printing press, because that's the only frame of reference the forefathers had? No computers, no laser jet printers, no typewriters, no tweets, no facebook posts, right? I mean because you know, the time travel thing...

 

[BugI02]

Funny you should ask.

Remember what party Teddy Roosevelt belonged to? (Ask CM, I think he voted in that election....)

The Progressive/Bull Moose Party started as Republicans.

With the modern GOP, there tend to be certain issues or specific decisions that can spin toward the more liberal ... maybe call them within the communist/socialist penumbra.

In the US, while the overall arc may be toward progressive ideas, we've struck a fairly solid balance between conservative, capital-oriented markets, and socially progressive positions.

(Obamacare was always a bad policy, but it fits into that arc.)

I think it's correct, and I believe myself, that government should set some limits on capitalism - red in tooth and claw

I view the lack of multimillion dollar housing developments perched on the rim of the Grand Canyon while preventing the hoi polloi from enjoying that same beauty, or the fact that Standard Oil isn't the only brand of gasoline on offer in the US, as vindication of some of Roosevelt's idea(l)s

The same ideas are what keep certain necessities as regulated monopolies (clean water, electricity, to a certain extent natural gas), preventing them from being all the traffic will bear free-for-alls

I think the way US drug companies are using predatory pricing to unjustifiably increase the margin on what are life and death health necessities, but not new developments, such as doubling the price of insulin in four years or the massive increases on the price of epipens; are quite literally asking - nay demanding - a dose of the same medicine

At some point a conservative finds the distaste for regulation warring with sympathy for the little guy. I hope sympathy for the little guy continues to win out

 

[ziggy]

Socialism is not quite the same as communism. Socialism is typically nation focused. E.g., national socialism in pre-war Germany. Communism is international in its objectives, therefore it tends to spread by the sword.

 

[Brad69]

Socialism = Political overthrow of existing form of government.

Communism = Violent overthrow of existing from of government.

It has the the same result Socialism/Communism does not factor in “Human Greed” this leads to resource inequality. Which in turn leads to a powerful elite and a Serf/Working class. This causes social strife and uprising’s which causes economic problems and the end of that form of government.
You will see much debate about who owns what between Socialism vs Communism. It really doesn’t matter it is owned by the state or the workers does it? The harder you work the more you don’t get so this in turn leads to low productivity and lack of creativity. On the plus side no classes exist and everyone is equal!
Many in the Democratic Party truly believe in the ideals of the “collective”. If we switch to Socialism the inequities of minority’s will be eliminated and the ultra rich will no longer exist. This would be a system without fault industry will be nationalized. Private ownership of land and property will not exist you will not own your property or house. If the collective thinks you have more square feet than you need it will be handed over to someone that has a greater need.
The “New Green Deal” is the first great step to achieving the goal of “Socialism” in coordination with the “Nationalization” of health care with the elimination of private health care.

New Green Deal

1. Carbon neutral about 2030

2. Guarantee a base income for everyone

3. Federal jobs program


This would require

1. Elimination of the gas and oil industry in addition “heavy industries” would be eliminated due to no technological replacement for fossil fuels.

2. The military would be cut by 50%

3. Tax rates would be increased


This is is a real danger we are quite literally one election away from this “New Deal”!

 

[JettaKnight]

Socialism = Political overthrow of existing form of government.

Communism = Violent overthrow of existing from of government.

That makes no sense at all.

Didn't we violently overthrow the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan, yet install a democracy?


Isn't Sweden becoming socialist under the same government?

 

[JeepHammer]

Communism comes from the barrel of a gun.

Socialism comes from trying (not always succeeding) to do the best thing for everyone.

While you all are calling each other 'Liberals' & 'Conservatives' (and MUCH worse), bickering back & forth with your neighbors & coworkers, the Communists in Russia & China must be LAUGHING THEIR BUTTS OFF AT US!

The 'Great' United States, no longer united, and bickering like a bunch of school children...
Let's face it, THEY ALREADY WON! Never fired a shot, just let your mobile device kill the country!

Go ahead, post another facebag meme about immigration, or firearms, or whatever and drive another nail in the coffin...

 

[BugI02]

Dude. Put. The. Pipe. Down.

 

[Route 45]

Dude. Put. The. Pipe. Down.

I actually think he needs to pick the pipe up and take a few tokes.

 

[Brad69]

You can overthrow any government in any manner and install what you want I guess that where it could be misunderstood.

The historcal facts are communism is usually a violent overthrow and Socialism is a political overthrow. That is one of the defining differences between the two forms of government.

The Swedish are acutally moving away from some Socialist policies such as guaranteed income and a few other political experiments. They kinda practice a combination government a capitalistic privatized industry base and huge Socialist welfare program.
This is kinda unknown in the US most of the European governments are Socialist to some extent. Ideas like freedom of speech and the press trial by jury and such are not universal European ideals. Many of the countries have certain freedoms stated in their constitution or whatever they use. Then have laws that can put you in jail if you speak out.
Did you know in the UK they do not have freedom of speech and can really go to jail for saying something that is disagreeable?

I feel that half of INGO would be in jail!


BTW
Trial by jury is rare outside the US

 

[Ziggidy]

Socialism is not quite the same as communism. Socialism is typically nation focused. E.g., national socialism in pre-war Germany. Communism is international in its objectives, therefore it tends to spread by the sword.

The difference between a Socialist and a Communist is that the Socialist doesn't have all the guns yet.

 

[Brad69]

Well put Ziggidy!

 

[Trigger Time]

End of days and Democrats = the devil. Prove me wrong