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I find it very uninteresting that you think the state should be able to decide who can and who can not defend their life with the best possible tool available.
Again, a RIGHT is not something that can be taken away by anyone. The BoRs is an abbreviated list of rights and is not all encompassing to begin with. It is either a RIGHT or a PRIVILEGE.
If a person has paid their debt to society and has been released into society, they should be able to own a firearm. If the person is still a danger to society and they shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm, they should still be locked up.
If a person is menatally ill and can't own a firearm because they are a danger to themselves and others, they should be locked up.
I don't see what's so hard to get about this.
If a person is menatally ill and can't own a firearm because they are a danger to themselves and others, they should be locked up.
I don't see what's so hard to get about this.
It's a bad idea because you want to slowly erode my rights even more just because you feel going through a FFL will "cover your ass". I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling you would still go through with the deal even if the perspective buyer swept everyone in the store just because you felt your ass was covered by the transfer...
You act like these FTF transactions are happening without any questions being asked and/or LTCH's and D/L's being verified....
Sounds like you put a higher priority to covering your ass than taking the responsibility of doing your due diligence and using your own judgement on the perspective buyer...
Currently, I can only sell to a proper person... I am another that thinks the law is wrong, but I do follow it. I do hope someday it changes and all free persons can own a firearm if they choose.
If the law were to change, I'd have absolutely no issue with selling a gun to a felon as long as I felt all was good... Hell, I'd much sooner walk away from the deal if the buyer was a non felon and was holding a Ind D/L and LTCH but he swept me or anyone else, regardless if it was a private transaction or going through a FFL...
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jgressley2003
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Reply to your position on UBC
Since you are so pro UBC, I wold like for you to find ONE example of any country that has implemented universal back-round checks that has not resulted in diminishing the citizen's right to possess firearms. This is the point of this whole discussion. Read a little history and you will see that every time it starts with something as benign as universal checks it ends up as universal registration.
The fact remains that criminals wouldn't use this or any other "system". It only hurts the law abiding citizens. Look at the prosecution rates under the current laws.
Opinions are free, they should be based on just a little bit of fact.
Since you are so pro UBC, I wold like for you to find ONE example of any country that has implemented universal back-round checks that has not resulted in diminishing the citizen's right to possess firearms. This is the point of this whole discussion. Read a little history and you will see that every time it starts with something as benign as universal checks it ends up as universal registration.
The fact remains that criminals wouldn't use this or any other "system". It only hurts the law abiding citizens. Look at the prosecution rates under the current laws.
Opinions are free, they should be based on just a little bit of fact.
in·al·ien·a·ble
/inˈālēənəbəl/
Adjective
Unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor: "inalienable human rights".
Synonyms
imprescriptible
I agree that a person has very little inalienable rights, when they are incarcerated. If a man is free, he should be wholly free and not subject to societal "castes".
Your logic is flawed though. The state can only take away inalienable rights when they lock someone up, or execute them. If the person is a free man, then those rights are thereby granted and able to be exercised freely.
I've had 7 transactions
4 from private individuals
3 From an FFL
From private individuals, no ID, no Bill of Sale, no LTCH
And no, you don't need to cover you butt in case the gun is used in a crime. If that was the case, then you should keep all your guns because you can't control the family members you sell to either. If someone you sold a gun to, kills someone with it, you wont be going to jail.
For one, unless you were the 4473 buyer from the FFL, they will have a hard time finding you, unless every seller after the 4473 buyer kept detailed records of their sales. If the transaction was legal, the transaction was legal. There is no requirement to investigate the buyer. The law says it is only illegal if a reasonable person would have a reasonable belief the person was an improper person, like out of state license plates, or you knew they were felons because the billboard in the parking lot has his picture on it.
If your gun is used in a crime, and somehow the cops find out it was yours at one point... they will ask you a few questions, that's it. No beat downs....
I think UBCs would be a great idea. If we start requiring back ground checks we could then start putting even heavier restrictions on FFL's reducing the number that can run checks, make the fees higher, de-fund the check system, and then eventually we could make it impossible to legally transfer firearms. While we are at it, we can start keeping track of serial numbers, and who owns what!
It's genius!
Shall not be infringed!!
As far as "murder weapon" goes, hammers, chainsaws, cars, shovels, knives, axes, etc, could also be past murder weapons. I couldn't care less. And if somehow you did something that allowed the cops to obtain your weapon and run ballistics on it that matched an open case, you have problems bigger than what someone before you used the weapon for.
A scenario that actually makes more sense, you get your gun confiscated during a traffic stop, and it turns out to be stolen.
It WILL be confiscated, but you didn't steal it, and they can't prove you stole it. LEOs in this very forum have said they wouldn't take the person to jail. And even if they did, how could you be prosecuted? Intent is everything. Unless you admitted to stealing it, you have no worries.
And I don't want to rain on your parade, but a used weapon from a dealer also can be stolen, also could have been used in a murder, etc. Pawn shops are required to work with the PD for every item in most places, but FFLs do not get their items checked.
4 from private individuals
3 From an FFL
From private individuals, no ID, no Bill of Sale, no LTCH
And no, you don't need to cover you butt in case the gun is used in a crime. If that was the case, then you should keep all your guns because you can't control the family members you sell to either. If someone you sold a gun to, kills someone with it, you wont be going to jail.
For one, unless you were the 4473 buyer from the FFL, they will have a hard time finding you, unless every seller after the 4473 buyer kept detailed records of their sales. If the transaction was legal, the transaction was legal. There is no requirement to investigate the buyer. The law says it is only illegal if a reasonable person would have a reasonable belief the person was an improper person, like out of state license plates, or you knew they were felons because the billboard in the parking lot has his picture on it.
If your gun is used in a crime, and somehow the cops find out it was yours at one point... they will ask you a few questions, that's it. No beat downs....
I think UBCs would be a great idea. If we start requiring back ground checks we could then start putting even heavier restrictions on FFL's reducing the number that can run checks, make the fees higher, de-fund the check system, and then eventually we could make it impossible to legally transfer firearms. While we are at it, we can start keeping track of serial numbers, and who owns what!
It's genius!
Shall not be infringed!!
As far as "murder weapon" goes, hammers, chainsaws, cars, shovels, knives, axes, etc, could also be past murder weapons. I couldn't care less. And if somehow you did something that allowed the cops to obtain your weapon and run ballistics on it that matched an open case, you have problems bigger than what someone before you used the weapon for.
A scenario that actually makes more sense, you get your gun confiscated during a traffic stop, and it turns out to be stolen.
It WILL be confiscated, but you didn't steal it, and they can't prove you stole it. LEOs in this very forum have said they wouldn't take the person to jail. And even if they did, how could you be prosecuted? Intent is everything. Unless you admitted to stealing it, you have no worries.
And I don't want to rain on your parade, but a used weapon from a dealer also can be stolen, also could have been used in a murder, etc. Pawn shops are required to work with the PD for every item in most places, but FFLs do not get their items checked.
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Let's scream about this for another week, and then forget all about it, so Mayday671 can log back in and revive everything in another few weeks. I'm guessing he's bitter at Sniper Company and keeps dragging this up in an attempt to hurt their business.
Not that I plan to go there anyway. That damage has been done.
Not that I plan to go there anyway. That damage has been done.
alexanjl12
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How many people who never "darkened" the door, threaten to not "darken the door"?
I think it should be a forum rule that people post receipt totals from purchases at the next place the herd boycotts so we can all see just how much the annual receipts would go down!
These threads have a routine effect on me anymore....I too disagree with the stated support of additional legislation, but I have never been to that store anyway so he has no rational reason to care if I threaten not to show up now! Which means I disagree with the policy, agree with the arguments against but end up chuckling at the "empty" threats
Especially the ones where the members are from southern indiana !!!!
I think it should be a forum rule that people post receipt totals from purchases at the next place the herd boycotts so we can all see just how much the annual receipts would go down!
These threads have a routine effect on me anymore....I too disagree with the stated support of additional legislation, but I have never been to that store anyway so he has no rational reason to care if I threaten not to show up now! Which means I disagree with the policy, agree with the arguments against but end up chuckling at the "empty" threats
Especially the ones where the members are from southern indiana !!!!
Well that makes things interesting again
I think he also ordered the code red.
How many people who never "darkened" the door, threaten to not "darken the door"?
...
These threads have a routine effect on me anymore....I too disagree with the stated support of additional legislation, but I have never been to that store anyway so he has no rational reason to care if I threaten not to show up now! Which means I disagree with the policy, agree with the arguments against but end up chuckling at the "empty" threats
These boycotts are about the same as if we boycott Tampax.
alexanjl12
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You do realize they have a website you can purchase from right? As in....we dont have to live in Ft. Wayne to have bought things from Sniper Co.
Please Educate Yourself.
Baby Steps.
Start with the alphabet and then work your way up to some books with words and pictures. Before too long, you'll be reading and learning with us big boys.
Behind any liquor store of your choice in Indiana, I can buy a firearm within 1 hour.
2 hours - for a semi handgun for a specific caliber.
2 -3 hours - for a specific model and caliber.
No background check, no paperwork and usually no serial number.
In a state that already has crazy regulations in place, I can cut all of these times to acquire the same weapons in half.
The more rules against a product only increases the "Black-Markets" ability to push that product.
If you have ever been street smart in a Komunist state, you will understand how it works.
Criminals don't have to play by our rules. Never have, never will. That's why they are called-
C-R-I-M-I-N-A-L-S.
See-
Letters make Words,
Words make Sentences, and so on.
Baby Steps. You'll get it eventually.
slackerisme
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Please Educate Yourself.
Baby Steps.
Start with the alphabet and then work your way up to some books with words and pictures. Before too long, you'll be reading and learning with us big boys.
Behind any liquor store of your choice in Indiana, I can buy a firearm within 1 hour.
2 hours - for a semi handgun for a specific caliber.
2 -3 hours - for a specific model and caliber.
No background check, no paperwork and usually no serial number.
In a state that already has crazy regulations in place, I can cut all of these times to acquire the same weapons in half.
The more rules against a product only increases the "Black-Markets" ability to push that product.
If you have ever been street smart in a Komunist state, you will understand how it works.
Criminals don't have to play by our rules. Never have, never will. That's why they are called-
C-R-I-M-I-N-A-L-S.
See-
Letters make Words,
Words make Sentences, and so on.
Baby Steps. You'll get it eventually.
I've got a $1000 that says your full of s***. I have the perfect liquor store in mind.
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