Driving in other people's cars (as passenger) with your guns

[Bill of Rights]

And gas. Don't forget gas. At least a case of beer should also be involved somewhere.

Wouldn't the beer cause the gas?

 

[Bill of Rights]

I've had this problem, too. Here's my "fix" for it:

1. Copy info from the PDF with ctrl-c.
2. Open Notepad
3. Copy text into Notepad with ctrl-v.
4. Copy all (ctrl-a, ctrl-c)
5. Open post in INGO and paste with ctrl-v.

It also may work to go to the quick reply window, click the A/A button on the upper left, and paste into that, removing formatting. I have not tested the latter method, but the former does work.

Blessings,
Bill

copying and pasting from a pdf was NOT fun.

It looks like we were working on the same issue at the same time!

Well, I guess I should have waited.
Cause when I pasted, all the words jumbled together and I had to go through and space everything out to make it legible.

I've run into that, too, when trying to copy and paste from the PDF's on the General Assembly's website. There must be some kind of strange formatting they do that doesn't get picked up with the copy command.

In any event, I think you found the right answer. I'm not sure how the driver/passenger distinction got thrown in there, although joint possession is kind of fact sensitive.

As I recall, a legislator from southeastern Indiana was outraged when Conservation Officers descended upon a DNR range and issued tickets to handgun shooters who didn't have an LTCH. That was the same session when the "take your gun to work but leave it in your car" law was passed.

 

[russc2542]

Jesus, I am just going to drive next time and make him buy me lunch...

Sometimes the simplest solution is to remove the debate. But if you do that, what will the fine folks here spend their time doing?

 

[gglass]

Since everyone has adequately answered the question I will share a personal story of a time that letting someone else drive got me in a bit of trouble while carrying. I've crossed posted this in a couple of other carry threads but it seems kind of relevant here too.

I can laugh about it now because I've changed jobs since this happened.

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I work in a corporate office and we have a no weapons policy. But my cubicle is literally in a corner at the very end of the 3rd floor. If there were ever to be an active shooter scenario I could be trapped, since the nearest stairwell is about 40 - 50 feet away. So one day I decided to throw my .38 snubbie in my laptop bag and take it inside with me. I was testing the waters more than anything to see if this would be a viable means to carry while at work.

As Murphy's law would have it, I had completely forgotten that was the day I was supposed to ride with a co-worker down to the Statehouse in Indy for a meeting. Of course I couldn't very well leave my unattended bag and gun at my desk while I was gone, so I took it with me with the intention of leaving it in my co-worker's car while we went inside.

We had some items we were delivering to the Sec. of State's office, so when we arrived downtown at the Statehouse we parked out front to unload the boxes. I left my bag in the backseat while we unloaded, and after we finished, my co-worker drove the car a few blocks away to park.

I start carrying the packages inside and waited for her to get back. Low and behold, when she arrived she was carrying my laptop bag. She handed it to me and said, "you left this in the car. I didn't want to leave it in plain sight while the car was parked, so I brought it back to you so you can keep an eye on it." Of course at this point we're right up on the security checkpoint and she starts putting her stuff through the x-ray machine, getting ready to walk through the metal detector.

I can't very well turn around and go back to the car. She has the keys and is already through the checkpoint. I did my best to try and casually ask the Sheriff's Deputy if I could leave my bag with him because there was a prohibited item inside. Of course he was like 90 years old and didn't hear me so he yells, "You got what inside your bag?"

I got closer and told him that I had a firearm inside but I didn't want my co-worker to know, and asked him to please give me some guidance. He motions to a state police trooper standing about 20 yards away and waves the trooper over. I try to explain the situation using my "inside voice" with my co-worker now looking back at me wondering what the hold-up is.

The trooper tells me my only option is to take it back to the car, under his supervision. He radios another trooper and requests a lock box be brought down to the security checkpoint. Now I'm standing there with two Indiana State troopers and a Marion County Sheriff's Deputy while my co-worker stares back at me. I have to ask her for her car keys while the trooper pulls my holstered firearm out of the bag and places it in the lock box. He then escorts me out of the building and personally walks me back to the car three blocks away so I can remove it from the lock box, put it back in the laptop bag and lock everything in the trunk.

After all was said and done it took nearly 20 minutes from the time I originally walked into the building with the gun, to the time I came back without it. When I returned, my co-worker was chatting with the other trooper, no doubt trying to figure out what exactly was going on. Now this co-worker isn't exactly my boss, but we work in the same department and she definitely outranks me. When we met up she said something to the effect of, "the trooper told me you had some tools or something in your bag?"

I told her I had some prohibited items inside and left it at that, but I know she saw the trooper pull the gun out of the bag and put it in the lock box. This happened about three months ago and we haven't spoken about it since.

The moral of the story is, you never know what could happen during the day that could end up exposing your firearm. Best laid plans can go to hell real quick, and often due to circumstances out of your control.

Reading your story actually raised my blood pressure a few points since I could actually see myself in a similar scenario. What a nightmare!

 

[stephen87]

but my post dealt with loaded handguns, not the unloaded handguns that you bolded.

We agree that a LTC holder can carry a loaded handgun in the backseat of a car he is driving without a legal problem.

We agree that a non-LTC holder cannot carry a loaded handgun in the backseat of a car he is driving without a legal problem.

What is the legal status of the weapon of a LTC holder placing a loaded handgun in the backseat of a car he is riding in as a passenger with a non-LTC holder driving? Legal or not legal?

Again, my contention is that there should not be a difference between legal and illegal merely based on who is sitting in the driver seat of a car and who is sitting in the passenger seat.

I see what you're getting at, but it's flawed logic. IC does not state that a holder of a LTCH must be driving in order for the handguns to be legal, it states that a holder of a LTCH must be PRESENT for it to be legal.

 

[stephen87]

Jesus, I am just going to drive next time and make him buy me lunch...

So, Miguel took Jesus to the range? There's a joke in there about Pedro, but I'll leave it. lol

 

[myhightechsec]

I see what you're getting at, but it's flawed logic. IC does not state that a holder of a LTCH must be driving in order for the handguns to be legal, it states that a holder of a LTCH must be PRESENT for it to be legal.

Where do you see that? I don't.

Perhaps I overlooked it. Possible.

But that is akin to saying that a LTC holder standing next to Fred -- who doesn't have a LTC -- makes the loaded pistol in Fred's pocket completely legal.

 

[stephen87]

Negative. If Fred were carrying a handgun, it would be required for FRED to have the LTCH. My reading is akin to Fred sitting in the driver seat, you in the passenger seat. There's a loaded handgun in the center console. As far as I understand, this is not considered a community pistol but instead in the possession of the LTCH holder.


Think of it this way. You're in the passenger seat while your teenager drives down the road with a learner's permit. Let's say, for this example, you're a smoker. You have a pack of cigarettes in the center console. This doesn't make them the teen's cigarettes. The driver gets pulled over and the officer spots them. It doesn't make them the teen's cigarettes. Now, if the teen had them on their person or otherwise in their possession, then it would be a different story.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

ETA:: Where does it say in IC that you must be driving?