Ella's parents suing Noblesville shooter's parents

[Ark]

Being the victim of a crime is not negligence.

 

[ljk]

Parents have no responsibility for the actions of the children they "parent?"

Gun owners have no responsibility to secure the firearms they own?

Sure, then Ella's parents should be charged for sending their daughter to school where she got hurt, right?

 

[bwframe]

https://www.indystar.com/story/news...ideo-suspect-chilling-court-quiet/1928846002/

...In the video, filmed hours before he opened fire on his seventh-grade classroom on May 25, he's holding a gun, lightly swinging it as he casually describes the ammunition he's collected. At one point he calmly pressed the barrel to his cheek before pulling it away. He starts loading it as he continues talking quietly.

I’m going to kill myself. I got to take other people’s lives before I take my own. You’ll see this because it’s going to be all over the news. Can’t wait ...

It’s gonna be fun.

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...On the morning of the shooting, the 13-year-old packed two guns and ammo in his backpack before getting on the bus. His mother remembers talking to him about an upcoming band concert. They needed to make sure his black dress pants still fit.

“I told him, ‘Have a good day. I’ll be here when you get home,'" she testified from the witness stand.

Meanwhile, one floor away in the family's basement, the keys were hanging out of the gun safe lock. Police would find it that way while searching the home a few hours later.

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"Don't build any weaponry, OK?" the boy's mom told him. "I'm serious. That would look bad."...




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[nakinate]

There’s a lot of “holier than thou” attitude in this thread. What a train wreck.

 

[rob63]

There’s a lot of “holier than thou” attitude in this thread. What a train wreck.

Amen to that!

 

[singlestacksig]

In the actual court filing it mentions a suppesor and that it was not properly aquired , anyone know if federal charges are coming?

 

[Kperkins]

How far do we have to go for something to be "reasonable"? When people and kids have enough time they can get through any hurdle. How long did it take him to find the keys? There are a lot of questions that we can ask and should be answered but it all falls back to what is reasonable.

 

[lonehoosier]

So if your kids are old/responsible enough to stay home alone they can’t defend them selves with a gun because of a had full of nut bags kids.

 

[Ziggidy]

I would hope each situation would merit individualized consideration rather than a blanket attempt to cover all situations. (I pray there are no more "situations") One size fits all does not do anyone any justice in these kind of tragedies.

 

[bwframe]

...(I pray there are no more "situations")...

Praying is great, but why would we expect anything to change when we refuse to hold anyone accountable when these "situations" occur?

Nearly every one on these situations involve known problem individuals that should have received much more scrutiny and action from parents, peers, authorities, etc.

All we really do about these situations is wait around for the anti-gunners to "educate" a naïve younger generation that the Second Amendment, NRA and gun ownership is the problem.

 

[Fargo]

Praying is great, but why would we expect anything to change when we refuse to hold anyone accountable when these "situations" occur?

Nearly every one on these situations involve known problem individuals that should have received much more scrutiny and action from parents, peers, authorities, etc.

All we really do about these situations is wait around for the anti-gunners to "educate" a naïve younger generation that the Second Amendment, NRA and gun ownership is the problem.

So the only way to avoid more gun control is to create/enforce more gun control? Kind of a self defeating endeavor.

 

[bwframe]

So the only way to avoid more gun control is to create/enforce more gun control? Kind of a self defeating endeavor.

Holding people accountable for their actions has nothing to do with gun control.

 

[Ziggidy]

Holding people accountable for their actions has nothing to do with gun control.

Just who is accountable and how will that help prevent the next tragedy? Holding the wrong people accountable will backfire needlessly. Who is really accountable here? If the child was 16, 17 or 18y/o and stole the gun from the "safe", would that be different?

 

[bwframe]

If your child uses your gun to shoot others, who is accountable?

 

[hopper68]

A few years ago a 15 year old boy broke into a car and stole a glock. Later he shot someone while showing him the gun. Does the car owner get charged with murder? How about the shooters parents for not having 24/7 control of their child?

 

[Xrage]

I'm sorry but i have nothing but contempt for people/parents like these. It sounds like the shooters parents were responsible gun owners with their guns locked in a safe.
They're probably just as devastated and the shooting victims. And then they get hit with a lawsuit?
But hey, this is America, any time you can put free money in your pocket go for it right?
And if they win the lawsuit, as they're stuffing their pockets with that cash they'll lie and say it's about justice.
I feel bad for the people who got hurt but this is disgusting.

 

[bwframe]

More straw man stuff?

 

[M67]

If your child uses your gun to shoot others, who is accountable?

If your child uses your gun to shoot others, who is accountable?

Your child steals your cars keys and runs someone over

Your child steals another kids pencil and stabs someone with it

Your child makes a snowball that has a rock in it and destroys someones eye with it

Your child knocks up another "child"

Given that the parent isn't around to hover over the kid 24/7, sounds to me the kid is if they're acting under their own desire

"children" may be children, but at that age, most have complete knowledge and control of their actions and intentions. Terrible what happened, but the kid made his own decision and must accept the consequences.

Parents are parents, but they're not their kids. Sometimes the parents can be held accountable, other times the action and consequences are solely on the kid

 

[bwframe]

Your child steals your cars keys and runs someone over

Your child steals another kids pencil and stabs someone with it

Your child makes a snowball that has a rock in it and destroys someones eye with it

Your child knocks up another "child"...

Strangely , none of this is what we are talking about, is it?

No one is accountable?​

 

[M67]

Strangely , none of this is what we are talking about, is it?

No one is accountable?​

The person who did the shooting is

In post #3, it was stated the guns were locked in a safe but the kid found the key (I don't know if this is verified but I'm sure others have followed this way way closer than I have)

If that is the case, wouldn't your kid stealing your keys be a comparative situation? Did you hover over your kids 24/7 so they never messed up?

For whatever reason, most don't like to blame young people for their actions. In part I get that because a lot have been taught bad habits by bad parents. In a lot of instances however they still know right from wrong and they still act in the wrong.

A lot of people just suck, I don't know why it's hard to get that point across without blaming more than 1 person

If those parents had the guns locked in Fort Knox and he still found a way to get them it seems like people would still bash them for not doing enough