Everything ANTIFA thread

[JAL]

Sad. They've been labeled the "enemy", so no one will even listen to what they're saying.
I believe in free speech, but bringing violence makes me wish a few of those "brave" antifa would get a chance to die for their cause.

It's not surprising to me they were labeled the "enemy". You have to understand their politics and goal. If you're not a radical communist or anarchist, just itching to start the violent revolution or civil war, you're the "enemy". They want war. They want widespread insurrection. They want widespread riot.

John

 

[rob63]

A Beating in Berkeley | The Weekly Standard

A pretty good article on the Samoan and half Japanese man that are leading the "white supremacist" rallies on the west coast.....

That was an interesting article. This may seem strange, but I found that article reassuring to a certain extent. It gave me the impression that a fair amount of antifa is just a bunch of rich kids play acting at anarchy. I don't doubt the leadership is nuts, but the bulk of the numbers may just be spoiled kids looking for a cause to support. Thus, hopefully, they will grow disillusioned with it.

 

[actaeon277]

It's not surprising to me they were labeled the "enemy". You have to understand their politics and goal. If you're not a radical communist or anarchist, just itching to start the violent revolution or civil war, you're the "enemy". They want war. They want widespread insurrection. They want widespread riot.

John

Sounds like a case of "be careful what you wish for".
Like a story one of my brothers told me about a new guy showing up in his unit, wanted to see some action "before it was over".
So my brother stood in front of him, looked him in the eye, and asked him if he'd feel the same while trying to put his buddies guts back in. Then he told him to STFU.

 

[ghitch75]

FBI, DHS warned of increasingly violent Antifa clashes in 2016, documents show | Fox News

 

[actaeon277]

FBI, DHS warned of increasingly violent Antifa clashes in 2016, documents show | Fox News

When violence is allowed to fester, it grows.

 

[femurphy77]

OH... We are far better trained than that.

[video=youtube_share;sbks5ks9d0I]http://youtu.be/sbks5ks9d0I[/video]

Kinetic Reespons!

 

[Route 45]

Are the Antifa Terrorists? Feds Have Reportedly Classified Their Activities as Domestic Terrorist Violence

 

[MCgrease08]

A Beating in Berkeley | The Weekly Standard

A pretty good article on the Samoan and half Japanese man that are leading the "white supremacist" rallies on the west coast.....

I just finished reading this. What an awesome first-hand look at the lead up to last weekend's violence.

I really liked the ending.

we’re getting the hell out of Berkeley, as I honestly don’t trust that they won’t be attacked again, here in the cradle of the Free Speech Movement, if somebody spots them. As we drive over the San Mateo Bridge, I ask Joey how he feels about what happened today. “I’m starting to love this town,” he deadpans. “It’s starting to be my playground.”

Then he gets serious. “We can’t just shut up, just be quiet, and let this evil continue. The darkness continues to get bigger and bigger in our country, and it will be gone. The country will burn, I’m telling you, if we don’t do things to stand up against it. We all take it for granted. We take for granted everything that we have. That’s why we have to wake up and understand. *******, we have too much to lose.” His eyes well as he takes a long pause, looking out on the shimmering San Francisco Bay. “We can’t stand by, we’ve gotta stand up. And we’ve got to do it together, or it’s gonna be gone.”

 

[Brad69]

I am concerned by the lack of police involvement in the latest riots. It would seem at some point the Police would break it up?

 

[A 7.62 Exodus]

I audibly laughed at this one

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/903356578371391490

 

[IndyDave1776]

Sad. They've been labeled the "enemy", so no one will even listen to what they're saying.
I believe in free speech, but bringing violence makes me wish a few of those "brave" antifa would get a chance to die for their cause.

That could very easily be arranged if they are stupid enough to come inland.

 

[JAL]

That was an interesting article. This may seem strange, but I found that article reassuring to a certain extent. It gave me the impression that a fair amount of antifa is just a bunch of rich kids play acting at anarchy. I don't doubt the leadership is nuts, but the bulk of the numbers may just be spoiled kids looking for a cause to support. Thus, hopefully, they will grow disillusioned with it.

Do not get complacent about them. There are hangers-on who show up, like the woman killed in Charlottesville, but the ones in black bloc in particular, looking like riot police are the hard core. They're not just spoiled kids who randomly show up. They're training themselves on how to conduct organized street brawls. Of the thirteen arrested for the recent Berkeley violence, half are in their 30's and many are from Oakland with a few from much farther away. They're there to do real violence. Their goal is inciting riot. It's the reason they're wearing modest body armor and helmets, using shields, and carrying billy clubs, axe handles truncheons, heavy chains and heavy bike locks. I've watched some of the videos of them in operation. They're potentially lethal.

John

 

[Trigger Time]

So homeland security has labeled antifa a domestic terror group

 

[jamil]

Do not get complacent about them. There are hangers-on who show up, like the woman killed in Charlottesville, but the ones in black bloc in particular, looking like riot police are the hard core. They're not just spoiled kids who randomly show up. They're training themselves on how to conduct organized street brawls. Of the thirteen arrested for the recent Berkeley violence, half are in their 30's and many are from Oakland with a few from much farther away. They're there to do real violence. Their goal is inciting riot. It's the reason they're wearing modest body armor and helmets, using shields, and carrying billy clubs, axe handles truncheons, heavy chains and heavy bike locks. I've watched some of the videos of them in operation. They're potentially lethal.

John

This is right. The thing we don't want to happen is to let them get as strong as they are in Europe. Now some people might rightly notice that what I just said sounds eerily like what we hear as the justification for violence that the left uses referring to the radical right: White Supremicists, Neo-Nazis, etcetera. And it is in part because both things are true. We don't want either side to gain power. Seeing the massive sea of Tiki torches was surreal. Troublesome. Seeing the the massive numbers of black bloc in Berkeley and San Francisco was too. We don't want either to get stronger.

But what is different about my admonition not to let them get powerful is that I do not advocate doing it through violence like the tribal left does, and the tribal right. I advocate doing it through speaking the truth to the people who tacitly support those committing the violence. Violence only serves to further divide into respective tribes. It only makes the other side stronger by getting people in the middle to pick one side or other of the extreams. The left radicals were further strengthened by the murder of the counter protester. The rifght was strengthened by the violence in Berkley. Starve the the exremes. Don't fuel them.

 

[MCgrease08]

Interested in starting your own antifa club in your town? Here's a primer on how to do it.

https://itsgoingdown.org/forming-an-antifa-group-a-manual/amp/

 

[dozer13]

There are hangers-on who show up, like the woman killed in Charlottesville,

John

look she LIVED THERE ! her town,her taxes paved that road. sick of people saying she was antifa and worse she wasnt a hanger-on.... if she didnt want neo Nazi or white supremacists in HER town she had every right to be there in that street to tell them that.

Heather Heyer, 32, of Charlottesville, Va., was killed in Saturday's car attack after a protest involving white nationalists in the college town.

 

[jamil]

look she LIVED THERE ! her town,her taxes paved that road. sick of people saying she was antifa and worse she wasnt a hanger-on.... if she didnt want neo Nazi or white supremacists in HER town she had every right to be there in that street to tell them that.

Heather Heyer, 32, of Charlottesville, Va., was killed in Saturday's car attack after a protest involving white nationalists in the college town.

I watched several livestreams of the protests that day. I have no reason to believe that she was an Antifa member. There were a lot of local folks in the crowds who said they just wanted them to leave, and it seems reasonable to think she was one of those. I did get the feeling though that many of the locals had a tacit support for the Antifa thugs in a sort of "enemy of my enemy" sort of way.

 

[churchmouse]

I am concerned by the lack of police involvement in the latest riots. It would seem at some point the Police would break it up?

Look up the riots of the late 60's and the LEO interventions.

LE is not willing to put themselves in the limelight the media will cast upon them if they try and hold these idiots at bay.

 

[churchmouse]

That could very easily be arranged if they are stupid enough to come inland.

Yup.

"But".....if the **** got real and some of them went down to gun fire that would only add fuel to the already burning fire.

 

[actaeon277]

I audibly laughed at this one

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/903356578371391490

Made my head hurt.

THEIR side needs to denounce/disavow EVERY person/action or they are all guilty.
If someone on OUR side does something wrong, we'll it's propaganda, or the actions of an individual.